The forward glut (who would you have in Cgy in Oct)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How is it "unearned" when every one of those guys was drafted or signed as UFA with the intention of giving them a chance to "earn" a spot on the team?

Relatively unearned compared to what the forwards have to beat out


Having Granlund and Ferland and Jooris and Byron on the forward bubble when 2 of these 4 are in line to get a roster spot by default is the point I was attempting to make.

Arnold had as good or better development year as Wotherspoon but right now Arnold would have to be pretty well the best forward in camp in the exhibition series (if he get a spot it would be earned) and Wotherspoon just basically has got to not look too far out of place and he is a Flame (unearned)

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Relatively unearned compared to what the forwards have to beat out


Having Granlund and Ferland and Jooris and Byron on the forward bubble when 2 of these 4 are in line to get a roster spot by default is the point I was attempting to make.

Arnold had as good or better development year as Wotherspoon but right now Arnold would have to be pretty well the best forward in camp in the exhibition series (if he get a spot it would be earned) and Wotherspoon just basically has got to not look too far out of place and he is a Flame (unearned)

The idea that any defenseman could crack the Flames defense in an unearned fashion is pretty ridiculous.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

The exemption in years is literally based on the player's age when they sign their first contract, so it absolutely should not be ignored. And later in the article of the CBA it states that the first year of exemption is when the player plays their first pro game. Signing as a 20 year old and playing your first pro game as a 20 year old is not the same thing as signing as a 19 year old and playing your first pro game as a 20 year old.

Signing as a 19 year old doesn't tack on an extra year of exemption for when you turn pro as a 20 year old, otherwise you'd see a lot more 19 year old players signed. A player turning pro at 20 gets 3 years of exemption, no matter when they signed.

[Finger Cookin]

Did you read the table from the CBA I posted? It completely contradicts what you're saying.

I think your example would be correct if a 19 year old played 11 NHL games the same year he signed, based on the CBA.

[Mattman]

Seems like the only really appropriate place to ask but is Joe Colbourne injured?

Lots of my friends saw him or got picture with him and he has a splint on his left wrist?

Was this something from the playoffs?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Seems like the only really appropriate place to ask but is Joe Colbourne injured?

Lots of my friends saw him or got picture with him and he has a splint on his left wrist?

Was this something from the playoffs?

He had wrist surgery after the season to address a lingering problem.

[Party Elephant]

I hope we sign Ferland to a two-way contract so we can send him down if need be.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Did you read the table from the CBA I posted? It completely contradicts what you're saying.

I think your example would be correct if a 19 year old played 11 NHL games the same year he signed, based on the CBA.

Under "Years from Signing" as a 19 year old he gets 4 years of exemption. His exemption doesn't start when he turned pro but when he signed. Ferland's 4 years are up.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Under "Years from Signing" as a 19 year old he gets 4 years of exemption. His exemption doesn't start when he turned pro but when he signed. Ferland's 4 years are up.

All right, I think I get it now. Thanks for going through it with me and for your patience.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And did that hurt the team at all?

They took a gamble and it didn't pay off.

However, what it did do was, when they sent him down, they made it clear to everyone in the organization that they will do whatever they need to do to ice the best team possible. Including demoting vets.

Just because the flames made the playoffs doesn't mean keeping setoguchi on the big club as long as they did wasn't a mistake. I think the flames would have been an even better team during that time if jooris, ferland, baertschi, etc. would have filled that spot.

I'm not too worried about it this year because of all that the young guys like ferland and Bennett showed in the playoffs last year. I believe treliving and Hartley have a good handle on how NHL ready these guys are and who deserves to be on the team.

[N-E-B]

Raymond, Granlund, Byron, Shore, Wolf, Arnold, and Klimchuk to Stockton for me.

[BigRed]

Setoguchi. It's weird to even see that name. What a reminder of how far this team has traveled in a year.

[Bingo]

So only one loser screwed it up, I'm impressed!

this is why I like polls though, you'd never guess that Bollig would get more votes than Granlund and Byron by general conversation.

Raymond very unpopular

and Shore over Granlund as well

[Cali Panthers Fan]

What I was genuinely surprised by was the popularity of Jooris. Not because he doesn't deserve to be on the team, but because so far this off-season many posters have been writing him into trade or waiver talk. Glad to see that isn't the majority opinion.

[GioforPM]

I think Bollig improved his position in the POs.

Shore v. Granlund for me is a question of waiver status, size, RH, faceoffs, ability to play the right side.

I actually put Raymond on the team because I think that's where he will be. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do on, say, a sheltered Bennett line. Plus, his stat line isn't as bad as some people like to think.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So only one loser screwed it up, I'm impressed!

this is why I like polls though, you'd never guess that Bollig would get more votes than Granlund and Byron by general conversation.

Raymond very unpopular

and Shore over Granlund as well

I can see why Raymond was unpopular. The sad part the flames are most likely stuck with him for at least the 1st half of the season, maybe more. Even at 50% salary eaten, i don't think teams would be interested right now in Raymond.

I am one of the posters that picked Shore over Granlund. Reasons why were that Shore has to pass waivers , Granlund does not. Also i see Shore as a better fit for 4th line center over Granlund. I really think if Granlund is to be in any future plans for the flames they have to play him on the wing.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

What I was genuinely surprised by was the popularity of Jooris. Not because he doesn't deserve to be on the team, but because so far this off-season many posters have been writing him into trade or waiver talk. Glad to see that isn't the majority opinion.

Because Hanowski's gone

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So only one loser screwed it up, I'm impressed!

this is why I like polls though, you'd never guess that Bollig would get more votes than Granlund and Byron by general conversation.

Raymond very unpopular

and Shore over Granlund as well

Found it easier to just work my way from the cut guys up, and clicked on them to eliminate them, then was planning on clicking on every box to inverse it... but forgot. Bound to happen with my 2 and 3 hour sleeps.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Raymond, Granlund, Byron, Shore, Wolf, Arnold, and Klimchuk to Stockton for me.

Shore would never see Stockton. Maybe not Byron as well (depending on what the arbitrator says).

[Strange Brew]

Raymond riding the pine for a game or two in the playoffs was very telling. I am sure Flames want him to keep some value so they could move him next offseason without having to eat any salary. This year is irrelevant. If he is beaten cleanly for a job at training camp they could send him down and no one would touch him. However that would likely mean he has negative value until the end of his contract.

Would be better for the Flames if he plays well, keeps his job and could be moved for something going into last year of his contract. For this reason I am expecting we see him on the team.