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Resolute 14 · 07-11-2015, 07:54 AM

I'm not sure what is worse, Poe. Your obvious lie: "All I was trying to do was express that McGrattan has a positive value to the team" - no, you were trying to argue Raymond has a negative value and only invoked McGrattan incidentally in what could only be characterized as a backhanded compliment at best - or the fact that you are here, a full day later, pouting about it.

JiriHrdina · 07-11-2015, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

So a dozen othe players have been named in this thread please get back to policing this thread properly.

It's sad to see that McGrattan is going to another team but the fact that he signed with a western conference powerhouse proves the role of the goon is not gone. I'd love to see him do well there.

Is it a one way deal? I doubt he sees nhl ice. The goon isn't gone but it sure is going

sureLoss · 07-11-2015, 08:56 AM

It is a 1 year 2 way deal per Ducks beat writers.

Hanna Sniper · 07-11-2015, 11:17 AM

McGrattan is not a goon, anyone who refers to him as such should really get a clue.

No need to be a dick by calling someone that. There's other terms that could be used to correctly express what you really mean... goon isn't the right choice of words

edited, no issue with people calling someone a goon if the title fits, McGrattan isn't a goon, show a little more respect for the person he is

Flames89 · 07-11-2015, 12:10 PM

Goon = enforcer = McGrattan
Love the guy and wish he stayed within the Flames organization, but he's not a sniper or plugger or playmaker. He's a goon.

Hanna Sniper · 07-11-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames89

Goon = enforcer = McGrattan
Love the guy and wish he stayed within the Flames organization, but he's not a sniper or plugger or playmaker. He's a goon.

No that is incorrect

Goon is never used as a positive description, you don't say it as a compliment. The only time people use that term is to put someone down. Want to call him an enforcer, tough guy... no problems but calling him a goon is very disrespectful because McGrattan is no where close to being a goon,

If you can't realize that the term goon is not used as an insult then I'm afraid I wasted my post. Like I siad, I have zero issues with anyone calling a player a goon if that is how they play the game but calling McGrattan a goon is a insult to the player he was for this organization

JiriHrdina · 07-11-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

McGrattan is not a goon, anyone who refers to him as such should really get a clue.

No need to be a dick by calling someone that. There's other terms that could be used to correctly express what you really mean... goon isn't the right choice of words

edited, no issue with people calling someone a goon if the title fits, McGrattan isn't a goon, show a little more respect for the person he is

I think we have definitions of what a goon is. For me he was a goon. I don't mean it as an insult - except to say that he was a guy in the NHL because he could fight. That to me is a goon.

Hanna Sniper · 07-11-2015, 01:20 PM

Look the term up,

Could you not be as equally getting your opinion across by calling him an enforcer, fighter rather then calling him another name for a thug. No where in life is the term goon used in a positive manner why all of a sudden you think it's not an insult if you use it in relation to hockey.

Every time the term goon is used on the ice it is used to put a player down on the ice. How is it different when you don't mean to use it as an insult by using a term that is used to insult a player

This isn't a why shouldn't use the word goon and how dare us for using it... I'm only showing McGrattan the respect he deserved as a Flames, he wasn't a goon and calling him that is disrespectful to the hockey player he was for us

AcGold · 07-11-2015, 01:35 PM

Goon is used to describe enforcers because they fight and don't play. The word is a perfectly apt description of Mcgrattans on ice role, more importantly who cares? Mcgrattan's not going to read this.

Hanna Sniper · 07-11-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think we have definitions of what a goon is. For me he was a goon. I don't mean it as an insult - except to say that he was a guy in the NHL because he could fight. That to me is a goon.

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think we have definitions of what a enforcer is. For me he was a enforcer. I don't mean it as an insult - except to say that he was a guy in the NHL because he could fight. That to me is a enforcer .

Everything you said in your post is said in the edited version all without using a term used to insult someone. Why is necessary to use an insulting term (in regards to McGrattan) f you don't mean it as an insult... how is calling someone a thug NOT an insult regardless of intent, and can you understand how someone that played the game and was a positive member for not only the team but the community as well and did NOTHING to disrespect the game or the team.

You know the role and the amount of respect that McGrattan showed in the dressing room, ice and community. Do you honestly think you are doing him justice by calling him a goon

Inglewood Jack · 07-11-2015, 02:21 PM

Whoa, now that's a struck nerve if I ever saw one. Family member?

Mister Yamoto · 07-11-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Why is necessary to use an insulting term (in regards to McGrattan) f you don't mean it as an insult...

Because being one of those politically correctness finger pointers gives you the luxury of being able to pick your spots. Don't criticize the infallible.

Just get over it though Hanna Sniper. Goon is just a word. Brian Mcgrattan is a goon, or enforcer with 317 games in the NHL. So when Jiri says that he has no place in the NHL, he is obviously wrong.

monkeyman · 07-11-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

McGrattan is not a goon, anyone who refers to him as such should really get a clue.

No need to be a dick by calling someone that. There's other terms that could be used to correctly express what you really mean... goon isn't the right choice of words

edited, no issue with people calling someone a goon if the title fits, McGrattan isn't a goon, show a little more respect for the person he is

I'm with you man. McGrattan is an enforcer not a goon, he plays by a code, is respectful toward his fellow combatants and doesn't target unwilling or unsuspecting players. big difference. If people don't recognize that, screw em.

JiriHrdina · 07-11-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Everything you said in your post is said in the edited version all without using a term used to insult someone. Why is necessary to use an insulting term (in regards to McGrattan) f you don't mean it as an insult... how is calling someone a thug NOT an insult regardless of intent, and can you understand how someone that played the game and was a positive member for not only the team but the community as well and did NOTHING to disrespect the game or the team.

You know the role and the amount of respect that McGrattan showed in the dressing room, ice and community. Do you honestly think you are doing him justice by calling him a goon

Well the reason I used the word goon is because I was responding to a post about whether or not the goon was going away in the NHL. Generally it isn't a term I use. So fine - enforcer it is. I'm not going to make a big deal of it.

JiriHrdina · 07-11-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Because being one of those politically correctness finger pointers gives you the luxury of being able to pick your spots. Don't criticize the infallible.

Just get over it though Hanna Sniper. Goon is just a word. Brian Mcgrattan is a goon, or enforcer with 317 games in the NHL. So when Jiri says that he has no place in the NHL, he is obviously wrong.

I'm not necessarily wrong. He HAD a place in the NHL to be sure. We will find out this season if he does still or not. The two way contract doesn't make it a certainty that he does.

pylon · 07-11-2015, 03:33 PM

Trevor Gillies was a goon. John Scott is a Goon.

Brian McGrattan was an enforcer. Big difference.

A guy like Gillies would run around like a moron with zero skill, creating mayhem and trying to hurt people...regardless of size, he was nothing more injury inflicting machine.

McGrattan, was surprisingly responsible defensively, would only pick spots when appropriate, wouldn't chase after smaller skilled players, and followed the code honourably. He didn't cause uncontrollable mayhem on the ice. Definitely not a goon. More of a deterrent if anything. He did hid job only when it needed to be, and very rarely cost the team. He was a classic enforcer, and that is why he was so well liked. He wasn't a giant ass clown making an ass of himself and the game, at least while he was here.

AcGold · 07-11-2015, 05:46 PM

He was a little bit like Boogard in that a lot of the time the other teams enforcer wouldn't want to fight him. I loved watching Mcgrattan fight a guy and give 10% effort and he would still win handily.

Forget what team it was but a young kid challenged Mcgrattan and he looked at the kid like alright it's your funeral and kind of just shook him around with one hand jabbing him senseless. You had enough kid? No? How about a few more?

Poe969 · 07-11-2015, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm not sure what is worse, Poe. Your obvious lie: "All I was trying to do was express that McGrattan has a positive value to the team" - no, you were trying to argue Raymond has a negative value and only invoked McGrattan incidentally in what could only be characterized as a backhanded compliment at best - or the fact that you are here, a full day later, pouting about it.

Regardless, other players were mentioned and you haven't got your nickers in a knot about it with anyone else.

It's a 2 way deal but the fact is the organization sees a need for him so they signed him. He may never see NHL ice time but none the less a western powerhouse team signed him. There must be some reason.

Vulcan · 07-11-2015, 10:46 PM

I wonder how his new outlook on hockey will play out. If he fights, maybe he can take Jackman's spot.

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Quick to point out the American Hockey League is still packed with pugilists, McGrattan now ironically mirrors the NHL's mindset, saying he wants nothing to do with the art that earned him a decade of NHL employment.
Oh sure, he has every intention of playing in the NHL next year. But he wants to do that by showing he can keep up with the speed of today's game and be more than just a nuclear deterrent.
"Fighting doesn't interest me right now," McGrattan said when asked how many fights he's been in in the minors.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/03/18...an-an-enforcer

Jason14h · 07-12-2015, 12:57 AM

Google goon and the #1 hit is Wikipedia for enforcer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcer_(ice_hockey)

Kidding aside, every team will argue there 'enforcer' isn't a goon.

This only became an isulting term in the last year. Sure McGratton isn't the type of player instigating fights and having fans call for his head, but he use to fill a very specific role which opposing fans would often characterize as a Goon