per ton, kessel gives leafs list of 8 teams.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The fact you believe that contracts are based solely on "stats" says it all.

Jonathon Toews will be paid 10.5 million dollars next year (and rightfully so).....and its not cause of his point totals.

In your world, Jiri Hudler should be North of 11 million...cause....stats.

And its true, many teams might like to have a Kessell skill set on their team....but guess what? many cannot afford it and many more don't want to be saddled with 7 years of it. You still cant wrap your brain around that so therefore its moot discussing any of it with you.

Oh...and if contracts are based solely on stats...wanna explain one Dion Phaneufs deal for me?

Intangibles.

[Sport Psych]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

The guys were also talking g about Phaneuf being gone by the draft or at latest training camp. But aim is this draft so they can jump start the rebuild immediately.

Noodles was saying that even though "no one likes him" you can't deny he's a good hockey player..

Who, Phaneuf? I'd be first in line to deny he's a good hockey player. He WAS a good player, but time has marched on. On a decent team he'd be nothing more than a second-third pairing defenceman.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He deserves 8 million. Teams don't mind paying a guy as talented as he is.

He's getting a first+ a nice prospect,. And not a centre will be eaten by the Leafs. Guaranteed.

Kessel can take care of that all by himself.

[keratosis]

Just curious. If Kessel is so great and worth every penny, why are the Leafs wanting to trade him?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sport Psych

Who, Phaneuf? I'd be first in line to deny he's a good hockey player. He WAS a good player, but time has marched on. On a decent team he'd be nothing more than a second-third pairing defenceman.

Some good coaching might turn his game around. Then again I doubt too many GM's would take that risk.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

What risk? With Kessel you know what you get. He scores with anyone and never misses a game.

He's worth the contract.

sounds like he is worth more to you then anybody else.... probably better to keep him then

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

What risk? With Kessel you know what you get. He scores with anyone and never misses a game.

He's worth the contract.

You don't have to sell us on Kessel. We aren't interested. You need to focus on selling NHL GM's in hopes there's a desperate team. I'm sure he will fetch a good player or prospect but history shows that when moving big contracts that the team usually doesn't get a home run return.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

What risk? With Kessel you know what you get. He scores with anyone and never misses a game.

He's worth the contract.

So 7 years from now he's still going to score at the same pace and not miss a game?

Of course there's some risk there. Plenty of it.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

It was a good thing for terribly run teams everywhere that the NHL forced the issue when it comes to contract lengths in the last CBA. Otherwise we'd probably be arguing with BigTuna that Kessel's 13 year contract is a risk. Good lord, how can you not see that the contract sucks? I know Leaf fans that think it does, they are out there. It's not as bad as Phaneuf because Kessel is actually one of the best players at his position, but it's still a smoldering, undesirable wreck of a deal. How can this even be up for debate?

[GioforPM]

Kessel's cap hit is $8m but his actual salary this year was $10m. He's just not that good, because he's too one dimensional. And in 2022 he will be way worse.

Toronto is not dealing with the desperate Pens like the Oilers were. It's the offseason, heading into a very deep draft.

The teams on Kessel's list are mostly in cap trouble already.

[T@T]

Can you imagine Treliving going to the ownership stating:

I want to add Kessel, his contract is 10,9,9,7,7,6,6 the next 7 years and he would have been 4th in scoring on our team last year but I feel if we treat him special he might try harder to return to previous form and lead our team in scoring by a few points. what do you think?

-clean out your desk!

[Tron_fdc]

Time is not on Phil's side here. If he was a Jarome Iginla or Chris Chelios type player who was totally committed to fitness he MIGHT be worth the long term gamble. There's no way you can convince me that he's going to maintain his scoring pace as he gets older, slower, and even more out of shape based on his current fitness regime of burgers and milkshakes. He's going to turn into a pile of chewed bubble gum.

Right now he's worth 8 million. 5 years from now (IMO) he's going to get buried in the AHL like Wade Redden, unless he chamges his off ice training and diet.

[Poe969]

I don't get the title. Did Kessel give a list of 8 teams per ton of weight? If so, who are the 13 teams?

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Time is not on Phil's side here. If he was a Jarome Iginla or Chris Chelios type player who was totally committed to fitness he MIGHT be worth the long term gamble. There's no way you can convince me that he's going to maintain his scoring pace as he gets older, slower, and even more out of shape based on his current fitness regime of burgers and milkshakes. He's going to turn into a pile of chewed bubble gum.

Right now he's worth 8 million. 5 years from now (IMO) he's going to get buried in the AHL like Wade Redden, unless he chamges his off ice training and diet.

0 games missed in 6 years. He never hits. Never gets hit. There's very little mileage on his body. I;d worry more about a Milan lucic than I do Phil Kessel.

And in September's training, he had the 3rd best fitness results on the Leafs. Don't listen to the media.
The guys who age fast are the ones that play that grinding style like Richards and Kesler.

[anyonebutedmonton]

Is BigTuna Phil Kessel or his agent? Honest question.


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[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kessel's cap hit is $8m but his actual salary this year was $10m. He's just not that good, because he's too one dimensional. And in 2022 he will be way worse.

Toronto is not dealing with the desperate Pens like the Oilers were. It's the offseason, heading into a very deep draft.

The teams on Kessel's list are mostly in cap trouble already.

Actually, the summer is the time to make big deals with larger cap hits.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

So 7 years from now he's still going to score at the same pace and not miss a game?

Of course there's some risk there. Plenty of it.

These questions don't seem to come up with any other players.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

Is BigTuna Phil Kessel or his agent? Honest question.


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Nope, just a typical Leafs fan.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Surprised about Montreal as the media exposure would be almost as unbearable as Toronto. That said the food is fantastic and they have real poutine not the crap we get here so it kind of does makes sense.

The appeal of Montreal is the night life. There's a reason it usually ranks second (behind New York) in those polls of favourite city for visiting teams.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

These questions don't seem to come up with any other players.

It would be the same for any player on a long term big money deal. The odds of Kessel scoring at the same rate and not missing any games during the next 6 or 7 year span is pretty much zero.