[Rumour] Conroy: Flames are set to explore moving up in the draft/acquire another 1st

[oldschoolcalgary]

seems like there are a lot of good players that will be available at 15...

I am not, generally speaking, in favor of packing picks to move up as i think having more chances at hitting is better than less...never guaranteed that a pick at 8-10 is necessarily better than 15 especially in a deep draft like this year...

i mean unless they really, really like that player...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Was interesting that Conroy said he didn't think they would want to move down when they did for Jankowski because they had a group of players they liked at 14. Seemed like he thought they moved down too far and out of the range of players they really liked. Kind of seems like Weisbrod might have overriden the scouts a little.

Is that what you took from it?

Conroy said someone called, they wanted to move up and he wasn't sure if the Flames wanted to move down. Seconds later he mentioned that if you think x amount of players in that group won't be there you probably don't move down. That's it, we have nothing beyond that. It could have happened at that pick, it could have happened in the 2nd round could have happened beyond that. It could have been one of the hundreds of calls GM's field during draft time for potential scenarios.

Conroy never said the name Jankowski, he never mentioned the 14th overall pick, he never specifically said anything. Hell he started off by saying "maybe" 3 years ago. The random scenario and phone call he used off the top of his head might have happened in 2013.

But nah, he was speaking directly about the Jankowski pick and oh, Weisbrod must have overridden his scouts too because... just because!

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Is that what you took from it?

Conroy said someone called, they wanted to move up and he wasn't sure if the Flames wanted to move down. Seconds later he mentioned that if you think x amount of players in that group won't be there you probably don't move down. That's it, we have nothing beyond that. It could have happened at that pick, it could have happened in the 2nd round could have happened beyond that. It could have been one of the hundreds of calls GM's field during draft time for potential scenarios.

Conroy never said the name Jankowski, he never mentioned the 14th overall pick, he never specifically said anything. Hell he started off by saying "maybe" 3 years ago. The random scenario and phone call he used off the top of his head might have happened in 2013.

But nah, he was speaking directly about the Jankowski pick and oh, Weisbrod must have overridden his scouts too because... just because!

Why would you ever let something like facts and common sense get in the way of jumping to conclusions?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Is that what you took from it?

Conroy said someone called, they wanted to move up and he wasn't sure if the Flames wanted to move down. Seconds later he mentioned that if you think x amount of players in that group won't be there you probably don't move down. That's it, we have nothing beyond that. It could have happened at that pick, it could have happened in the 2nd round could have happened beyond that. It could have been one of the hundreds of calls GM's field during draft time for potential scenarios.

Conroy never said the name Jankowski, he never mentioned the 14th overall pick, he never specifically said anything. Hell he started off by saying "maybe" 3 years ago. The random scenario and phone call he used off the top of his head might have happened in 2013.

But nah, he was speaking directly about the Jankowski pick and oh, Weisbrod must have overridden his scouts too because... just because!

Dude you need to relax lol. It's just my take. If yours differs so be it. State your reasons.

He said he got a call and someone wanted them to move down. 3 years ago is the Jankowski draft year. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. We didn't move down in 2011 IIRC so it's the only year that makes sense.

Conroy says "I didnt think we wanted to move back down." and you can tell by his expression the way he winces he didn't really seem keen on the move then he further explains "BECAUSE we kind of had a group of guys we liked." So if your not that keen on moving down because you have a group of guys you like, you can kind of infer that the pick falls out of that group. This is further confirmed because he says if you have a group of 6 guys you like and your only moving down 4 spots you'll still get one of them. He seems fine by this. So to me this shows that he didn't think the guys they still liked would be around moving down. Then he goes back to the same tone of hestitation he had when talking about moving down and says if you only like 2 guys then your probably not getting one of them.

So based on that I think the Flames had a group they liked or at least some of them did. They may have felt like we were trading out of a certain tier of players. Since Weisbrod has basically taken credit for the pick and was AGM I'm going to infer that he likely made the call when Jay asked him about it. Overriden may be a strong word but I do think others wern't keen on the move and Jay went with Weisbrod.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Dude you need to relax lol. It's just my take. If yours differs so be it. State your reasons.

I already stated my reasons. It was a story that just popped into his head, a story about a phone call that "maybe" happened three years ago, a story that he wasn't even sure the time frame. Conroy didn't finish the story, he didn't say if they did or didn't move down after that phone call, you're just assuming a trade was made then.

Don't Beautiful Mind it and draw lines where there isn't any. You filled in huge blanks out of nothing.

[Hackey]

I'm not starting a new thread stating it as fact lol. It's my take. If he talks about a trade from 3 years ago about moving down there is only one we know of. To me it makes more sense he is talking about the trade we actually made and not a trade that may or may not even exist. Craig is a good guy and since it seemed like he wasn't a fan of the trade he probably didn't want come right out and say ya it was Jankowski and I didn't think we should have moved down. Sorry you take such personal offense.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm not starting a new thread stating it as fact lol. It's my take. If he talks about a trade from 3 years ago about moving down there is only one we know of. To me it makes more sense he is talking about the trade we actually made and not a trade that may or may not even exist. Craig is a good guy and since it seemed like he wasn't a fan of the trade he probably didn't want come right out and say ya it was Jankowski and I didn't think we should have moved down. Sorry you take such personal offense.

Yeah it's your take and I'm pointing out how ludicrous it is based on next to no information. I don't know how it makes more sense he's talking about a trade that actually happened, he didn't say that. JumpToConclusionsMat.jpg?

Based on what Brian Burke said recently and what many other GM's have said over they years teams field hundreds of calls over draft weekend, working out many different scenarios for trades and picks. Conroy was talking about one phone call, one phone call that "maybe" happened thee years ago, one phone call he gave no indication came to anything, one phone call he did say he wasn't sure the team liked. If we're going to conclude anything from that it's that Conroy didn't like the idea, he passed off the call and Feaster didn't like the deal either based on the reasoning Craig listed.

It's your take, I'm not personally offended by it but that doesn't mean I can't call out a flat out silly post, don't confuse the two things. It's reading too much into things 101. You're connecting things that simply aren't there.

It rained today, I must be out of peanut butter.

[JohnnyT]

Summer, where every thread devoles into an Jankowski thread.

[Hackey]

We don't know if he was talking about it or not. It's that simple. To me evidence points towards it. To you lack of evidence does not. It's a matter of opinion so there is no right answer beause neither of us know. At the end of the day though this isn't a murder so I don't need utmost certainty to make my decision. But yes how silly of me to assume that a trade from 3 years ago where we moved down could possibly be the Jankowski deal.

[sureLoss]

Feaster told season ticket holders a few weeks before the 2012 draft that the Flames were going to get someone that in 10 years would be the best player in the draft.

They were going to take Jankowski. If you believe some of the reports they were going to take him at 14.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Hackey

We don't know if he was talking about it or not. It's that simple. To me evidence points towards it. To you lack of evidence does not. It's a matter of opinion so there is no right answer beause neither of us know. At the end of the day though this isn't a murder so I don't need utmost certainty to make my decision. But yes how silly of me to assume that a trade from 3 years ago where we moved down could possibly be the Jankowski deal.

It is silly because Conroy never says there was a trade. He just says that Jay had stepped away from the table and he got a call about trading down, which he assumed they were not going to do because of the "ledges". To me he was saying that he could have probably assumed that they were not going to move down and say no, but was waiting for Jay because he had the final say.

Conroy didn't assume, and he didn't make an ass of himself.

You, however, are making assumptions.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

Summer, where every thread devoles into an Jankowski thread.

HA! I seriously though I clicked on the Jankowski thread.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Feaster told season ticket holders a few weeks before the 2012 draft that the Flames were going to get someone that in 10 years would be the best player in the draft.

They were going to take Jankowski. If you believe some of the reports they were going to take him at 14.

Seems very odd you'd have the player selected before even knowing how the other picks fell or what other scenarios took place on the draft floor leading up to your pick. It is Jay Feaster though.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Seems very odd you'd have the player selected before even knowing how the other picks fell or what other scenarios took place on the draft floor leading up to your pick. It is Jay Feaster though.

To you maybe, but they were going to trade the pick until Weisbrod went and watch Janko and knew that was their guy. So they knew who they wanted well before the draft even took place. There's so much media available for you to brush up on this topic it's funny you choose to act like there was nothing on file about it.

Conroy interviews, Feaster Interviews, Weisbrod interviews. All of them said the exact same thing, they were trading the pick until they saw Jankowski.

[theoforever]

[QUOTE=Hackey;5316534]Seems very odd you'd have the player selected before even knowing how the other picks fell or what other scenarios took place on the draft floor leading up to your pick. It is Jay Feaster though.[/QUOTE]

And this explains why your personal jihad against all things Feaster allowed you to read so much into what Conroy said.

[Hackey]

In order to be so sure you want Jankowski at 14 that you would have already made up your mind before going into the draft you'd almost have to have him ranked in the top 10-12 players of the draft or better. I suppose time will tell with that one but so far it's not looking good.

[Hackey]

theoforever

Still learning how to use the quote button I see.

[sureLoss]

Also looking back at the Season Ticket holders luncheon notes in 2012 from after the draft, Feaster claimed that New Jersey tried to trade up to #21. Perhaps the deal Conroy was talking about.

He also claimed that he knew Florida wanted to pick Jankowski.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

theoforever

Still learning how to use the quote button I see.

You need to get some fresh air bud.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Hackey

theoforever

Still learning how to use the quote button I see.

This coming from someone who needs a roadmap and GPS for everything, except when in pertains to Feaster, then you turn into Tolkien.