Should airlines start including etiquette brochures next to the safety cards in seat?

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by pylon

This drives me nuts. I truly believe people don't really need to pee, they just want to go into the bathroom for something to do. I piss before I get on the plane, and unless it's a 6 hour or longer flight, I cannot recall the last time I have used an airplane washroom. Maybe twice in my life.

I had a scenario like this on a flight to Maui. I always take the aisle, because my knee is ultra gibbled, and after 5 hours, if I can't straighten it every 20 minutes or so, it locks up. So the aisle lets me do that without having to get up and stretch therefore pissing off whoever I am sitting next to. Anyway, window seat dude, is on his fourth trip to the can and we aren't even halfway there. I have to get up, listen to his fat faced heavy breathing, and inhale his old man stench each time. I finally ask him if he wants the aisle, and I'll take the window, even though the window seat means I won't be able to walk properly for an hour after the flight. He says "Is it so hard to have the common courtesy to get up and let me use the washroom?"

I wanted to punch him in that stupid, red, bulbous, old man alcoholic nose so bad. I am offering this idiot a courtesy by giving him the aisle seat so he doesn't have to keep crawling over everyone, and he turns it around like I am the selfish dick, when it is going to cause me the discomfort by taking the window.

You poor dear. You mean you actually had to stand up, not once, not twice but several times during a flight?

OH THE HUMANITY!

The 'old man' is 110% correct. Common courtesy is that you stand to let an elderly gentlemen pass to use the toilet facilitates.

What the hell is wrong with you that you make such a huge deal of the act of standing up?

[Frequitude]

I have two travel annoyances.

1) Blasting headphones. Noise pollution on airplanes is a massive pet peeve of mine. It's just something that I have a hard time ignoring so now I wear earplugs when not listening to headphones. But seriously, you're a massive d*****bag if you're blasting your headphones like that. Like seriously, you can hear just fine if you turn it down a few notches. You know we can all hear it.

2) Inefficient travellers through security. Its not hard to have everything you need in the bin (liquids, laptops, metal, etc.) long before its your turn to go through the metal detector. There needs to be a security line for veteran/efficient travellers.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

What the hell is wrong with you that you make such a huge deal of the act of standing up?

Asking him if he wanted to change seats is not a huge deal. It's pretty clear that pylon thought he was being courteous to the guy by asking if he wanted to change seats. We are not suppose to do that anymore?

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Those who have poor etiquette and those who wouldn't read an etiquette brochure are typically one in the same.

i agree with this, but i still think a brochure couldn't hurt

i'll take myself as an example - the last time i was on a plane was probably
in 2012. the time before that 2001. the time before that would have been in 1997 (and i don't remember the time before that - likely the early 80s)... so only 3 times in the last 20 years. i'm not even remotely familiar with etiquette on a plane (although i've heard that snakes on a plane are bad!) so a brochure wouldn't hurt. i do think a lot of it boils down to common courtesy and respecting those around you but i'm sure there are 'plane specific' things someone like me might not be aware of

[united]

I don't understand why adults feel the need to recline. I have never reclined and have never had any problem with comfort or sleeping, nor has anyone I've traveled with. The three inches and a few degrees does not make a difference. No, it does not make a difference no matter how much you pretend it does. The only reason to recline is to be inconsiderate to others. No! It does not make a difference. Stop pretending it does.

I don't block recliners like some people do, but if you decide you're going to be "recline guy" you bet I am going to decide to be "headrest pull" guy. Both are completely unnecessary and equally annoying. Having a laptop out for most of the flights I take, someone reclining is detrimental to my viewing angle. You saying you aren't comfortable without reclining is as ridiculous as me saying I can't get up without grabbing your seat. Everyone loses.

Worse yet is when grown adults cry to the flight attendant because there is a blocker behind them. I mean it's hilarious to watch as someone who will never be on either side of the battle, but at the same time it blows my mind adults can't suck up a straight seat for flight.

And please, give a little warning before your recline, or do a slow recline. People have drinks or lap tops - don't press the button then basically hurl yourself back. Which it seems most people who recline do, unsurprisingly.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by united

I don't understand why adults feel the need to recline. I have never reclined and have never had any problem with comfort or sleeping, nor has anyone I've traveled with. The three inches and a few degrees does not make a difference. No, it does not make a difference no matter how much you pretend it does. The only reason to recline is to be inconsiderate to others. No! It does not make a difference. Stop pretending it does.

I don't block recliners like some people do, but if you decide you're going to be "recline guy" you bet I am going to decide to be "headrest pull" guy. Both are completely unnecessary and equally annoying. Having a laptop out for most of the flights I take, someone reclining is detrimental to my viewing angle. You saying you aren't comfortable without reclining is as ridiculous as me saying I can't get up without grabbing your seat. Everyone loses.

Worse yet is when grown adults cry to the flight attendant because there is a blocker behind them. I mean it's hilarious to watch as someone who will never be on either side of the battle, but at the same time it blows my mind adults can't suck up a straight seat for flight.

And please, give a little warning before your recline, or do a slow recline. People have drinks or lap tops - don't press the button then basically hurl yourself back. Which it seems most people who recline do, unsurprisingly.

You never go full recline !

[ernie]

Originally Posted by united

I don't understand why adults feel the need to recline. I have never reclined and have never had any problem with comfort or sleeping, nor has anyone I've traveled with. The three inches and a few degrees does not make a difference. No, it does not make a difference no matter how much you pretend it does. The only reason to recline is to be inconsiderate to others. No! It does not make a difference. Stop pretending it does.

You are flat out wrong. On a flight more than a couple hours it can mean the difference between coming off the plane with back spasms or actually able to walk properly. For me.

But ignoring that, there is reason that chairs recline. Office chairs. Chairs at home. Chairs on an airplane. It is more comfortable and sometimes appreciably so. It's my chair to recline and not your say that I can't.

How do I know this? Because every damn airline of consequence has outlawed the knee defender. And deals with the anti-recline crowd as the issue not the other way around. You don't like it? Too bad. So take your own advice and suck it up given that is what the established etiquette set by the airlines themselves clearly says.

It doesn't make a difference so stop pretending it does! See how easy that was for me to say. Doesn't mean it's correct.

I don't block recliners like some people do, but if you decide you're going to be "recline guy" you bet I am going to decide to be "headrest pull" guy. Both are completely unnecessary and equally annoying. Having a laptop out for most of the flights I take, someone reclining is detrimental to my viewing angle. You saying you aren't comfortable without reclining is as ridiculous as me saying I can't get up without grabbing your seat. Everyone loses.

No you lose because you're the jerk and have to live with that. Sorry but that's the truth. You could, you know, ask that a person not recline or recline less so you can do some work. No issue there. But the same courtesy is on you at that point...you don't work the entire time and not allow someone to recline. And you don't get back at someone just because you don't like it.

Worse yet is when grown adults cry to the flight attendant because there is a blocker behind them. I mean it's hilarious to watch as someone who will never be on either side of the battle, but at the same time it blows my mind adults can't suck up a straight seat for flight.

I take you don't travel that often or on long hauls. It's not crying to a flight attendant. It's asking the flight attendant to deal with the ass hat behind you just as one would with any other issue. A kid not being supervised. Or a host of other things.

The crying and behaving like a baby and not an adult comes from people who "become the pull the head rest guy" because the guy in front reclined. Oh hey....

btw...I've had to ask precisely one flight attendant to do something and they did so immediately. Most of the time the flight attendant sees it themselves and deals with it without being asked. They look out for it and "side" with the recliner 100% of the time (outside of meal times, take-off, landing). I've even had for long flights on some airlines mention that people are allowed to recline so don't prevent them from doing so during pre-flight announcements.

And please, give a little warning before your recline, or do a slow recline. People have drinks or lap tops - don't press the button then basically hurl yourself back. Which it seems most people who recline do, unsurprisingly.

I don't believe anyone has said to just recline away no matter what. Of course you make sure nothing is going to be tipped over or ruined. Of course raise it when it's meal time as most airlines require you to do now anyways. But don't expect me to not recline just because you don't like it. Not when the airline who I bought the ticket from clearly says I can and people like you say you are are the ones that need to get over it.

[DiracSpike]

Someone mentioned it but the thing that makes me mad is when people book a seating vortex, like the husband and wife book aisle and window to try and dissaude people from taking just a middle, even though that hardly ever works. I was stuck in a super vortex one time on a flight from Sydney to Fiji, 4.5 hours of being surronded by a Fijian family with little kids on either side and each row behind and in front. Luckily they got off in Fiji and the red eye to LAX from there gave me a whole row for myself.
Dont fly Fiji Airways btw they're awful.

[EldrickOnIce]

Absolutely agree on anti recliners:
You have options. Seat selection or upgrade.
The seats recline for a reason. Suck it up.
That said, I don't recline for the reasons you all mention, but it's my choice - not yours.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by pylon

This drives me nuts. I truly believe people don't really need to pee, they just want to go into the bathroom for something to do. I piss before I get on the plane, and unless it's a 6 hour or longer flight, I cannot recall the last time I have used an airplane washroom. Maybe twice in my life.

I had a scenario like this on a flight to Maui. I always take the aisle, because my knee is ultra gibbled, and after 5 hours, if I can't straighten it every 20 minutes or so, it locks up.

Well I truly believe that people don't really have bummed knees...

I just say this because I have the bladder of a 8 month pregnant woman. The good news is I am not overweight and need to use the seats in front of me to get up, nor do I fly often.

[kevman]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.webmd.com/back-pain/news/...y-sitting-back

Reclining for the win! Office chairs, car chairs, movie theatres - it's all good!

I also get up frequently on long flights. I try to take a stroll at least hourly. It's good for your legs and back to get up and move around. Drinking tons of water helps. It's so dry up there and having to constantly use the washroom makes sure you stay moving. I'd rather not be dehydrated after a long flight just to be polite. And shoes, those come off instantly. Shoes are just the man bringing you down!

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Someone mentioned it but the thing that makes me mad is when people book a seating vortex, like the husband and wife book aisle and window to try and dissaude people from taking just a middle, even though that hardly ever works. I was stuck in a super vortex one time on a flight from Sydney to Fiji, 4.5 hours of being surronded by a Fijian family with little kids on either side and each row behind and in front. Luckily they got off in Fiji and the red eye to LAX from there gave me a whole row for myself.
Dont fly Fiji Airways btw they're awful.

The vortex should really be outlawed. May not always be obvious who is travelling together, but 2 people together need to be together (or aisle/aisle), so that other pairs can stick together. Travelling with 2 kids, I need those pairs (don't have to be 4 in a row) and the vortex often means I am splitting the family up and begging for someone to move over. I am starting to think that it would be better not to provide seat selection, and have a computer figure out the best configuration.

[You Need a Thneed]

I can't believe people who say it's not noticable how much less space you have in an airplane seat when the person in front or you reclines. I'm only 6'1", and I dread someone in front of me trying to recline their seat. Every once in a while, i need to move my legs a bit, and I can barely do that with the seats up, never mind reclined.

I never recline my own seat, because I dont want to be a Jerk.

[Dagger]

People can go ahead and recline in front of me, but my legs get shaky when there's turbulence and I can't help it if your seat takes a good few whacks.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Dagger

People can go ahead and recline in front of me, but my legs get shaky when there's turbulence and I can't help it if your seat takes a good few whacks.

Yeah. Turbulence sucks. It also affects my balance and every once in a while, shaky legged people get elbowed in the head on the way by.

[The Ditch]

But why are the anti reclining people so whiny? It's a fact that the seats recline. Every single person knows before getting on the plane that the seats were meant to recline, and people reclining are literally using the seats as they were meant to be. Most of the other complaints are jerks or abuses of the system but using an apparatus exactly how it should be is not.

If you don't like it, since you know in advance, you can pay the extra money to upgrade or be in the exit row.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Should we be surprised flying today has the all the charm of a Greyhound bus trip?

Considering Greyhound has increased leg room, added WiFi, and the new buses have nicer seats...it feels like at least they're trying to improve, rather than going the other way.

[DuffMan]

Going from Houston to Phoenix once and this old hippy woman beside me started talking about Jesus. I immediately put on headphones and ignored her.

[JBR]

Mine is the grab the headrest part of my seat when you're trying to get up.

I had the enormous dude behind me coming back from LA a few weeks ago. Got up 4-5 times during a 3 hour flight. It felt like the bolts securing my chair were holding on for dear life, and he was close to ripping out the entire seat. On the 5th time up, while "sleeping", I held my recline button... When he pulled, he went flying back like he was shot out of a cannon. Didn't get up again... strange.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

But why are the anti reclining people so whiny? It's a fact that the seats recline. Every single person knows before getting on the plane that the seats were meant to recline, and people reclining are literally using the seats as they were meant to be. Most of the other complaints are jerks or abuses of the system but using an apparatus exactly how it should be is not.

If you don't like it, since you know in advance, you can pay the extra money to upgrade or be in the exit row.

We're not all whiners...