What young players (25 and under) are expendable assets for the Flames?

[foshizzle11]

The one thing that I love is that we can sit here and discuss everything but we don't know who might emerge next season as the new Jooris. Will he be able to hold onto his spot? We don't know yet.

At this point, I would say anyone not named Bennett, Monahan, Brodie, Gaudreau and Ortio could be traded. Not that I would love it if Poirier, Klimchuk, Ferland, Gillies, Tspoon and others in that group were traded, because I doubt they would be but I could see them being in a package to help make this team better and IMO those are some players who have good potential to be regular NHLers.

I don't think we see any drastic moves this off-season. I fear that we will lose Ramo and have to keep Hiller. So hopefully Ortio can come in steal the starters job from Hiller.

I don't know enough about Hanowski, Reinhart, Agostino, Culkin, Arnold, Ramage, etc to make comments on them. If they are not close to being NHL ready after 1 more pro season, then I don't see any problem with trading those guys for picks and trying again.

[polak]

Jooris and Byron are expendable but I don't think they have much value.

Backlund (Turning 26 soon though I believe) is probably the only player that's made the team we have that's not one of the big 3 with real value.

Prospects are prospects. Trading them is always a gamble as you don't know what you've got. That being said I think Granlund is expendable as we've seen pretty much what he will bring to the table.

[PeteMoss]

Re: Jankowski - its a risk the Flames are obviously willing to take if they aren't going to sign him this summer.

[Enoch Root]

I don't think the question should be: which prospects should we move? I think it should be: which assets make the most sense to move? For me, the list starts with:

Granlund - don't think he fits in the plans and he has some value
Backlund - I see him moved within 12 months to bring in a defenseman or big winger
Hudler - has the most value and will cost a lot to re-sign (think he goes at the deadline)
Wideman - next year's deadline
Jones - next year's deadline

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think Jooris, Granlund and Reinhart need to be moved, especially Jooris while his value is high.

[heep223]

I personally want Jooris part of the long term plans of this club in the bottom 6. He embodies what the organization is looking for.

[Enoch Root]

Can someone please explain to me how Jooris' value is high?

IMO, he would return maybe a 3rd round pick. Could we get another Jooris from a 3rd? Maybe a 10% chance. And that would be 4 or 5 years from now.

On the other hand, there is a chance that Jooris continues to develop into a solid bottom 6er who can put up 15 goals a year - and is almost there now.

Horrible asset management to trade him right now IMO.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Can someone please explain to me how Jooris' value is high?

IMO, he would return maybe a 3rd round pick. Could we get another Jooris from a 3rd? Maybe a 10% chance. And that would be 4 or 5 years from now.

On the other hand, there is a chance that Jooris continues to develop into a solid bottom 6er who can put up 15 goals a year - and is almost there now.

Horrible asset management to trade him right now IMO.

I guess for me, I just don't feel Jooris as a long term player for this organization unless he is able to up his offensive game a bit and turning into a 2nd/3rd line RW. For the playoffs, we were playing him as a 4th line C which I see Stajan as next year and/or Arnold soon. We have tons of bottom 6 prospects, and although Jooris has found his spot on this team, he will always have someone knocking on the door for his spot.

I guess time will tell, he'd be an excellent Jones replacement if we decide that he is good enough to bump out Jones after the 2016 season.

[Incogneto]

If we qualify all RFAs (Byron the only ? there), we have 16 NHL calibre forwards signed next year:
Jiri Hudler
David Jones
Mikael Backlund
Mason Raymond
Matt Stajan
Lance Bouma
Joe Colborne
Brandon Bollig
Josh Jooris
Drew Shore
Michael Ferland
Johnny Gaudreau
Sam Bennett
Sean Monahan
Markus Granlund
Paul Byron

....SOMEONE has to be moved...

[Red Menace]

I might not use the word "expendable", but any of our young guys outside of the obvious (Gaudreau. Monahan, Bennett) could be moved. We don't have room for all of them and I think us fans get way too attached to them and it clouds our judgement on their worth (I know I am guilty of this)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I guess for me, I just don't feel Jooris as a long term player for this organization unless he is able to up his offensive game a bit and turning into a 2nd/3rd line RW. For the playoffs, we were playing him as a 4th line C which I see Stajan as next year and/or Arnold soon. We have tons of bottom 6 prospects, and although Jooris has found his spot on this team, he will always have someone knocking on the door for his spot.

I guess time will tell, he'd be an excellent Jones replacement if we decide that he is good enough to bump out Jones after the 2016 season.

Okay fine, but 2 things to consider:

1) he wouldn't return much right now, so what is better: a crappy draft pick, or wait and see if he can take another step up in his progression? and

2) remember that he had an injured wrist for the latter part of the season and the playoffs. Trying to assess his ceiling from a small, injured sample size seems a tad impatient to me.

The Flames have already invested a fair bit into him, why not follow it through instead of starting over with another draft pick?

[Yanda]

What are the chances of the Flames qualifying Max Reinhart? They might elect not to, it would free up ice time for Klimchuk, Arnold, Carroll and Smith. I think they have lost faith in Reinhart.

[dammage79]

I find it a tough call to choose who would be expendable.

To me I cannot see how moving Markus Granlund now is not like shooting yourself in the foot. Even from an asset management standpoint I can see Markus' value in trade only get higher after next year. Then again, if he can add a few more pounds and become tough to knock of of the puck the sky is the limit with him. I'd be hard pressed to move hi in trade unless it is a no brainier kind of deal.

I'm kind of the opposite end with Jooris. Nice to have a RW/C and an excellent 3/4 line option but I feel the Flames need to upgrade the production on every line outside of the top line who carried he team most of the year.

Of those two players I feel granlund has the higher upside that will be met.

Outside of that, I don't see anyone 25 and under that the Flames cannot re-sign and continue their development in house. Byron I feel is already out the door even though he is a fan favorite and a favorite on the team.

[cannon7]

Reinhart has definitely tumbled down the depth chart, but being a former first rounder I think he'll undoubtedly get a qualifying offer. Wouldn't be surprised to see him moved to Buffalo, though. Not sure why his development has stunted, he looked promising for extended stints in the bottom six for the Flames in seasons past.

[Da_Chief]

Max was a 3rd round pick.

[Dime_On_Flames]

If Treliving/Burke really want to get bigger and harder to play against and play more of a possession game, I think Backlund & Granlund are candidates to be moved. Not sure of the value of either around the League but it's something that definitely needs to be considered.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Max was a 3rd round pick.

You're right. Not sure what I was thinking.

[goldenbear85]

The young guy, i think should be moved is Klimchuck. Looking at our forwards i dont see where he fits in the future. Our biggest shortcoming is on the blue line. I would be all for seeing treliving moving Klimchuck for a defensive prospect at the same level. Outside of that basically anyone but brodie, bennett, monahan, johnny and poirier should be considered.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Dime_On_Flames

If Treliving/Burke really want to get bigger and harder to play against and play more of a possession game, I think Backlund & Granlund are candidates to be moved. Not sure of the value of either around the League but it's something that definitely needs to be considered.

So if we want to play more of a possession game, we should move our best possession forward?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You're right. Not sure what I was thinking.

He was the Flames' first pick that year, just happened to be in the third round. Back in the days when trading picks was the path to the cup