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View Poll Results: Should the Flames use or threaten to use an offer sheet this year?
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Yes, Flames should be exploring every option to improve the team.
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No, it is too early in the rebuild to consider it right now. The picks could be lottery picks.
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Never, offer sheets are too risky in terms of compensation and overpaid contracts.
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No, waste of time as the other team will definitetly match.
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No, don't think there is a player this year worth an offer sheet.
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05-19-2015, 04:48 PM
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#61
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Blarg
I would like to see them try, because some other team is going to get a great deal. No team is going to lend a helping hand when there is some juicy young player ripe for the taking.
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We always think that and then Carter goes to L.A. Or Richards goes to L.A..
There's always a team out there willing to "help out"
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05-19-2015, 05:25 PM
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#62
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Houston, TX
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Nope.
In retrospect, knowing th flames would acquire 3 extra top 90 picks, and he drafting at be drafting at 15, 2015 picks could have /should have been risked.
But I have seen Toronto. And colorado. And dallas. I don't expect that result, or any complacency. I do expext the Kings, at least, to be better next year. Them being better this year would have meant that the flames missed.
In this day and age you can't risk lottery picks. You only drop offer sheets if you are certain you are making the playoffs.
BUT.... Who is sure they are making the playoffs?
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05-19-2015, 05:51 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Brisbane
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You only sign a player to an offer sheet if it is for the 2nd round pick compensation. An established young player will be better than a 2nd and if you overpay it wouldn't be by that much. Of course teams will almost always match a smaller offer so this would require a player who is low on the depth chart on a team over the cap. It will very rarely occur.
I would prefer the Flames trading for RFA rights. They would need to give up more than the offer sheet return but could sign the player to a reasonable contract and not harm their relationship with the other GM.
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05-19-2015, 05:51 PM
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#64
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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Would you offer Tarasenko a 7 - 70 contract, knowing that it'll eat 4 1sts?
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05-19-2015, 06:02 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Originally Posted by Caged Great
Would you offer Tarasenko a 7 - 70 contract, knowing that it'll eat 4 1sts?
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Hell no
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05-19-2015, 06:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Originally Posted by Caged Great
Would you offer Tarasenko a 7 - 70 contract, knowing that it'll eat 4 1sts?
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I would be curious about something like 5 year, $55.5M ($9.1M per year) which costs two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd.
$7.3M AAV over 5 years, I would happily do for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd... not sure about the extra 1st though.
Imagine a line of :
Gaudreau - Moanahan - Tarasenko
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05-19-2015, 06:35 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blarg
I would like to see them try, because some other team is going to get a great deal. No team is going to lend a helping hand when there is some juicy young player ripe for the taking.
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They will trade their aging assets to free up the space to sign their young building blocks. If someone offers Hamilton $7.5M and the B's are set on keeping him they can dangle Marchand, or Lucic for less than market value to free up the space to keep Hamilton
There is a reason offer sheets don't work and when they do mediocre players like Pennner get overpaid
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05-19-2015, 08:04 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pengrowth Saddledome, Section 222, Row 23, Seat 14/15
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Brandon Saad would be the choice to offer sheet. Chicago cant keep him.
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05-19-2015, 08:06 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe
Brandon Saad would be the choice to offer sheet. Chicago cant keep him.
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They will trade Sharp well before letting Saad go. They would give Sharp away before letting Saad go
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05-19-2015, 08:27 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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If memory serves correct, didn't the Flames offer Teemu Selanne an offer sheet back when he first came into the NHL. I think it was close to one million per season and Winnipeg was barely able to match. I remember at the time being astounded they would offer that much to a guy I had never heard of and then being so disappointed as he scored 76 goals as a rookie.
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05-19-2015, 08:35 PM
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Franchise Player
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I think getting Hamilton even on a crazy big contract is worth the risk. Lock him up long term - max duration. Next year's first will be in the same range as this year's and subsequent years Flames will draft even later. Those three picks are a small price to pay for a decade long #1 D.
Maybe do it the Burke way to avoid hard feelings.
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05-20-2015, 01:18 PM
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
Yes but only for Hamilton.
I'd trade a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for him in a heartbeat.
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I feel the same. I'd do it for Hamilton... but not anyone else.
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05-20-2015, 04:09 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NB
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Originally Posted by handgroen
hamilton is the only one i'd consider. franchise dmen like that just never ever become available, and can be elusive to draft.
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Franchise Dman? He's good but he's not a franchise Dman.
All of the worthwhile guys to go after would get matched ASAP anyways.
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05-20-2015, 04:12 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: BC
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Why bother? It's more of a distraction than anything and they almost always get matched.
10 of 12 offers matched in last 18 years and the two that were accepted.
Chris Gratton from TB to PHI - 4 1st round picks
Dustin Penner from ANA to EDM - 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks
On a side note I wasn't even a teenager yet but I have no memory of the Flames making an $2.7 Million dollar offer to Teemu Selanne in 1992
List of NHL players who have signed offer sheets
from wikipedia
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05-20-2015, 04:12 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles
Franchise Dman? He's good but he's not a franchise Dman.
All of the worthwhile guys to go after would get matched ASAP anyways.
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He's only 21 years old. He's going to be a regular Norris contender one day.
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05-20-2015, 04:15 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Nov 2014
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Originally Posted by codynw
He's only 21 years old. He's going to be a regular Norris contender one day.
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A lot of people said the same about Phaneuf when he was that age.
He's obviously very good but there are very few defenseman in the league that are franchise Dmen, and Hamilton hasn't show that, yet.
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05-20-2015, 04:40 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
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I think Hamilton absolutely projects to an elite dman. Offensively at 21 he had 41 points in 72 games (one more point then TJ Brodie). He will only get better at both aspects of his game.
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05-20-2015, 10:44 PM
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I wouldn't do it solely based on the fact that GMs might get 'revenge' later on. What I mean is like SJ offer-sheeting Hjalmarrson for instance. Flames will be a cap team eventually - probably within 3 years.
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05-20-2015, 11:25 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
I wouldn't do it solely based on the fact that GMs might get 'revenge' later on. What I mean is like SJ offer-sheeting Hjalmarrson for instance. Flames will be a cap team eventually - probably within 3 years.
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We already OS'ed Colorado, so the cat is out of the bag there.
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05-20-2015, 11:34 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesFanFromBC
Why bother? It's more of a distraction than anything and they almost always get matched.
10 of 12 offers matched in last 18 years and the two that were accepted.
Chris Gratton from TB to PHI - 4 1st round picks
Dustin Penner from ANA to EDM - 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks
On a side note I wasn't even a teenager yet but I have no memory of the Flames making an $2.7 Million dollar offer to Teemu Selanne in 1992
List of NHL players who have signed offer sheets
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Teemu Selanne was definitely offered a rfa contract by the Flames. I remember it clearly and also remember the cartoon in the Sun that had the caption of "The coulda, shoulda, woulda line" that was Brett Hull, Doug Gilmour, and Teemu Selanne. Still bothers me this line never was a reality.
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