April 8 Practice - Ortio close? Bollig in for Bouma?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

We don't have the horses on defense for a deep playoff run.

Nor did we in 04, but it still happened. If anything, I think this D group as it sits now is retrospectively better than that group IMO.

Reghre - Leopold: Decent #1 pair and different, but were they any better than Russell / Wideman right now?

Ference - Warrner - I actually think Engelland and Brodie are better

Commodore - Montador - Tough one, I think Shlomo - Diaz was for sure better, Potter - Shlomo maybe not I guess.

[ClassicFlames04]

People need to quit getting ahead of themselves. I understand the opportunity for discussion is there but some of this is getting ridiculous.

It was said best earlier, Hartley and management have proved they know what they are doing.

They are not out of the woods yet. Lets just enjoy the ride, however long it may last.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlames04

People need to quit getting ahead of themselves. I understand the opportunity for discussion is there but some of this is getting ridiculous.

It was said best earlier, Hartley and management have proved they know what they are doing.

They are not out of the woods yet. Lets just enjoy the ride, however long it may last.

Day dreaming about what could be is part of "enjoying the ride". I doubt anyone is counting their chickens. Just getting in is still going to be tough. Our situation is basically the same as being up 3-2 in a best of 7, the hardest game to win is still to be played and it's tough to close out. Our opponents, a team that has as recently rallied back from 0-3 down as early as last year in the playoffs. Lots yet to be earned just to get in for the Flames.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlames04

People need to quit getting ahead of themselves. I understand the opportunity for discussion is there but some of this is getting ridiculous.

I'll never understand points like the one. This is an internet forum devoted to a pro sports team who has a chance to clinch their first playoff birth in 5 years, in their final home game of a magical Cinderella season. Of course every tiny minutae is going to be debated endlessly. C'mon man

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Nor did we in 04, but it still happened. If anything, I think this D group as it sits now is retrospectively better than that group IMO.

Reghre - Leopold: Decent #1 pair and different, but were they any better than Russell / Wideman right now?

Ference - Warrner - I actually think Engelland and Brodie are better

Commodore - Montador - Tough one, I think Shlomo - Diaz was for sure better, Potter - Shlomo maybe not I guess.

That was after injuries to Lydman and Gauthier. If you lose two guys off the Flames now you're down to Wotherspoon and whoever.. Cundari maybe.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlames04

People need to quit getting ahead of themselves. I understand the opportunity for discussion is there but some of this is getting ridiculous.

It was said best earlier, Hartley and management have proved they know what they are doing.

They are not out of the woods yet. Lets just enjoy the ride, however long it may last.

Which part in particular is ridiculous? Speculating on Bennett's potential impact on the team and the impact his ELC will have down the road?

Pray tell.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

That was after injuries to Lydman and Gauthier. If you lose two guys off the Flames now you're down to Wotherspoon and whoever.. Cundari maybe.

Oh I know, we have no ability to sustain injuries, although I would have also said that about 2 injuries ago.

All I'm saying is we rode that group of 6 for almost the entire run, and they are not better than our current group.

[ClassicFlames04]

The speculation on whether Bennett should play after hitting the ELC number of games (i.e.. getting to round 2 of the playoffs). We aren't even in the playoffs and he has yet to play a game. This is what I find to be ridiculous and getting ahead of ourselves.

I suppose I should have been more specific.

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlames04

People need to quit getting ahead of themselves. I understand the opportunity for discussion is there but some of this is getting ridiculous.

It was said best earlier, Hartley and management have proved they know what they are doing.

They are not out of the woods yet. Lets just enjoy the ride, however long it may last.

I don't agree with this.

Many time's I have questioned Hartley's decisions, and bringing in guy's like Raymond/Bollig by Brad doesn't look good either. Some people need to get their head's out of Hartley's butt simple as that. I attribute much of the success on individual players stepping up, but don't get me wrong I do like Hartley but he does make quite a few mistakes putting the line-up's together and when I hear "he has experience" that #### makes me cringe, doesn't mean he is good nor gives us the best chance to win, especially Bollig who I just don't feel he fits on this team.

Bollig/Raymond 10-14mins a game could be easily substituted by someone else. Simple as that

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlames04

The speculation on whether Bennett should play after hitting the ELC number of games (i.e.. getting to round 2 of the playoffs). We aren't even in the playoffs and he has yet to play a game. This is what I find to be ridiculous and getting ahead of ourselves.

I suppose I should have been more specific.

It's true we haven't made the playoffs. But it's sure not a ridiculous notion that we make it.

And if we do make it, the question of his ELC will be a topic, especially if the series goes the distance. Also not out of the realm of possibility.

Hardly ridiculous.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlames04

The speculation on whether Bennett should play after hitting the ELC number of games (i.e.. getting to round 2 of the playoffs). We aren't even in the playoffs and he has yet to play a game. This is what I find to be ridiculous and getting ahead of ourselves.

I suppose I should have been more specific.

Sure we could discuss it if and when the time comes, OR while we're waiting until the next Flames game we can argue amongst ourselves about topics which we have no control over like we do everyday.

[cannon7]

Losing Bouma for a game against the Kings is gonna really hurt, literally.

Why can't we just do a brain transplant between Bouma and Bolig for one game?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Losing Bouma for a game against the Kings is gonna really hurt, literally.

Why can't we just do a brain transplant between Bouma and Bolig for one game?

Brain transplants are too difficult for just one game

[ClassicFlames04]

Originally Posted by skudr248

I don't agree with this.

Many time's I have questioned Hartley's decisions, and bringing in guy's like Raymond/Bollig by Brad doesn't look good either. Some people need to get their head's out of Hartley's butt simple as that. I attribute much of the success on individual players stepping up, but don't get me wrong I do like Hartley but he does make quite a few mistakes putting the line-up's together and when I hear "he has experience" that #### makes me cringe, doesn't mean he is good nor gives us the best chance to win, especially Bollig who I just don't feel he fits on this team.

Bollig/Raymond 10-14mins a game could be easily substituted by someone else. Simple as that

I agree I too have my questions regarding his decisions (particularly regarding Raymond/Bollig) but imo he has at least remained consistent regarding the team "mantra" of "Always earned never given".

It is fair and I agree with you that the success has been driven by individual players stepping up, but I ask you who has pushed these players to succeed? Who has created the environment for them to succeed?

I think you can point to many people, some having bigger impacts than others. These include and not limited to our captain Gio, our coach Hartley, and players like Hudler, Wideman, and Russell.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Reghre - Leopold: Decent #1 pair and different, but were they any better than Russell / Wideman right now?

At defense and generally keeping it a low scoring game? They were also aided by some of the best goaltending in the history of the NHL playoffs while we would have... Jonas Hiller.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I don't see anything in the CBA preventing them from swapping the emergency recall on Thiessen to Ortio.

i.e send Thiessen back down and recall Ortio on an emergency basis


That being said this is likely Ortio's first full practice since he got injured. Doubtful he is cleared to play/be the backup for tomorrow or Saturday


It is a good sign that he will be available for the playoffs though

That seems odd doesn't it?
if that was true wouldn't a team be able to make unlimited "emergency" swaps? Doesn't that kinda defeat the whole purpose of the "emergency"? Unless Thiessen or Hiller gets hurt it would seem unfair that Ortio could be called up.
I'd love to see him; he's our best goalie in my opinion.

[TapeToTape]

Originally Posted by ClassicFlames04

I agree I too have my questions regarding his decisions (particularly regarding Raymond/Bollig) but imo he has at least remained consistent regarding the team "mantra" of "Always earned never given".

It is fair and I agree with you that the success has been driven by individual players stepping up, but I ask you who has pushed these players to succeed? Who has created the environment for them to succeed?

I think you can point to many people, some having bigger impacts than others. These include and not limited to our captain Gio, our coach Hartley, and players like Hudler, Wideman, and Russell.

Yes, exactly. Maybe part of individuals playing so well and buying in is due to Hartley's loyalty to players going through ups and downs in terms of results.

[TapeToTape]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If you have the choice to lose in five or six games to the Blues in Round 2, or get an extra year of Sam Bennett at 925K, you take the extra year. This year has been amazing, but it isn't 'our year' yet.

We're not going to play the Blues in Round 2. Our path to the cup will be through Vancouver, Winnipeg, Chicago and Tampa Bay.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by tapetotape

we're not going to play the blues in round 2. Our path to the cup will be through vancouver, winnipeg, minnesota and tampa bay.

ftfy

[icarus]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

We don't have the horses on defense for a deep playoff run.

Sounds like 2004...