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Bandwagon In Flames · 03-10-2015, 04:06 PM

The article really just makes Baertchi look like an entitled brat. Felt he deserved to play in the NHL, Burke felt otherwise, so he thinks it's time to reject your qualifying offer..

Burke also felt this way about Kadri, but at least Kadri made the most of it. And it's pretty obvious that Kadri has character issues as well, but he dealt with it and is a better all round player because of it.

If Baertchi has success in the NHL, he can thank the Flames for making him learn a complete game.

Tinordi · 03-10-2015, 04:23 PM

Baertschi sucks stop talking about him so much

Red Menace · 03-10-2015, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

There is no "truth is" to your comment. You post is entirely opinion, which is fine, but there is no "facts" in what you say.

Whether it's because of organizational bias or Sven himself, Sven is not playing in the NHL right now because he was beat out by the likes of Josh Jooris for a spot on this team. Debate away if you think Jooris, Gaudreau, Colborne actually outplayed Sven, but don' pretend he slam dunk anything.

Also, interesting in your passionate defense of Sven that you use the word "satisfactory" when describing his performance. That might just say it all..............

This argument is getting very tired.
The facts do show his results were on par or better than Colborne, Monahan, Glencross, Setoguchi and others when he was given quality time.
Satisfactory results for a 13th overall pick are actually pretty good.
I never said he was a slam dunk, those are your words....but why throw away a blue chip prospect when he is performing as expected when put in his expected role?, and why refuse to give him that role after a brief trial.
I think he'd look pretty good on the 2nd line right about now.
Anyway, he isn't a Flame anymore, so we have to move on....I am not just going to pretend that it was a good decision like others have.

stemit14 · 03-10-2015, 04:27 PM

Guys... I was a huge baertschi fan and I am very disappointed to see him go. I am also unhappy with the return we got for him. Especially considering who the flames traded him to.

That being said... We have to move on. He's with the enemy now. He's one of them and our hatred for him will begin to grow... Especially when they put him with the sedins.

Bandwagon In Flames · 03-10-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

Anyway, he isn't a Flame anymore, so we have to move on....I am not just going to pretend that it was a good decision like others have.

Who is pretending that it was a good decision? What is this decision you're talking about anyway? Baertchi forced the Flames hand and they got the best possible return. Most fans are okay with the return, just not that he went to Vancouver.

Not much to discuss beyond that, as much as we're trying.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 03-10-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

This argument is getting very tired.
The facts do show his results were on par or better than Colborne, Monahan, Glencross, Setoguchi and others when he was given quality time.
Satisfactory results for a 13th overall pick are actually pretty good.
I never said he was a slam dunk, those are your words....but why throw away a blue chip prospect when he is performing as expected when put in his expected role?, and why refuse to give him that role after a brief trial.
I think he'd look pretty good on the 2nd line right about now.
Anyway, he isn't a Flame anymore, so we have to move on....I am not just going to pretend that it was a good decision like others have.

LOL, better results than Monahan. Stop making excuses for him. And why did you include Seto in your argument. He played what 12 games for this team and is currently in Glen Falls................... He did not prevent Sven from getting a spot, and even with his demotion Sven could not take advantage of it.

If you feel Sven is a better player than Monahan when given the right chance, that's your call I guess..................

Manhattanboy · 03-10-2015, 04:41 PM

Yawn. Sure Sven. See ya.

Azhouse · 03-10-2015, 04:49 PM

Vancouver Canucks fans are going to get sick of his schtick in a hurry.

On second thought, a small undersized Euro who whines a lot is par for the course...he should be just fine.

Winsor_Pilates · 03-10-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

There is no "truth is" to your comment. You post is entirely opinion, which is fine, but there is no "facts" in what you say.

Whether it's because of organizational bias or Sven himself, Sven is not playing in the NHL right now because he was beat out by the likes of Josh Jooris for a spot on this team. Debate away if you think Jooris, Gaudreau, Colborne actually outplayed Sven, but don' pretend he slam dunk anything.

The Flames have enough depth ahead of him to push him out of current/near future NHL spots. This is great for the Flames.

However that doesn't make him a spoiled brat or whiner either. Just a kid who wants to play in the NHL and is hoping there's a way for him to get there.
Him understanding that some other teams out there with less young depth may give him that shot, is completely understandable.

God forbid he chases his dream of being in the NHL!!

GioforPM · 03-10-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

He didn't ask for a trade, he asked for playing time and treliving knew it was best not to until he plays with more compete level. So he gave him to a team that can try and revive him.

He said he wasn't going to re-sign. That's asking for either a trade or to be cut loose as a free agent to play elsewhere. And Treliving said his agent did ask for a trade.

I understand he wants to play. I even understand he thinks he deserved to play, an opinion with which some posters here agree. And I can even understand the business decision to essentially force a trade, which I guess is predicated on the second point. But he could have moved on and not said anything about the discussions. Instead he decided to either semantically split hairs or directly call Treliving a liar. Why not leave it be?

Huntingwhale · 03-10-2015, 05:41 PM

FlameFan21 · 03-10-2015, 05:54 PM

I'm missing Stan Baertschi less and less with each passing day.

Geeoff · 03-10-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Sven is just arguing semantics. He should own up to what he has said and/or done, just like everyone else.

He's gotta fit in with the culture he's part of now.

T@T · 03-11-2015, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

Baertschi sucks stop talking about him so much

I'm amazed how fast a fan base can turn on a popular player. I'm going to use this as my sig the minute he scores on us.

Flashpoint · 03-11-2015, 09:38 AM

Brett Hull
Doug Gilmour
Teemu Selanne
Martin St Loiuis
Al MacInnis

et tu Baertschi?

(snicker)

Hackey · 03-11-2015, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by stemit14

Guys... I was a huge baertschi fan and I am very disappointed to see him go. I am also unhappy with the return we got for him. Especially considering who the flames traded him to.

That being said... We have to move on. He's with the enemy now. He's one of them and our hatred for him will begin to grow... Especially when they put him with the sedins.

The thought of them trying that is kind of scary but I'm pretty sure Vrbata has that spot locked down. Which would mean at best Sven is on the second line and that worries me a lot less.

CalgaryFan1988 · 03-11-2015, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Brett Hull
Doug Gilmour
Teemu Selanne
Martin St Loiuis
Al MacInnis

et tu Baertschi?

(snicker)

I know you're saying this in jest, so this isn't directed at you, but some people are using the Hull/St-Louis comparables so I'm throwing this out there.

Sven Baertschi drafted 13th overall in 2011
Oleg Saprykin drafted 11th overall in 1999

The year they were drafted
Baertschi - 85 points in 66 games played
Saprykin - 93 points in 66 games played

The year after they were drafted
Baertschi - 94 points in 47 games played
Saprykin - 66 points in 48 games played

NHL totals after 66 games
Baertschi - 8G 20A for 28 points
Saprykin - 9G 15A for 24 points

I wish Baertschi nothing but the best, but for every Martin St-Louis there are hundreds of Oleg Saprykin's.

dino7c · 03-11-2015, 10:52 AM

if he wanted to be an NHLer he should have dominated at the AHL level, 8 goals lol

this guy is more like Tom everyday

Hack&Lube · 03-11-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I wish Baertschi nothing but the best, but for every Martin St-Louis there are hundreds of Oleg Saprykin's.

The year they were drafted
Baertschi - 85 points in 66 games played
Saprykin - 93 points in 66 games played
St-Louis - 50 points in 56 games played (undrafted, IHL numbers)

The year after they were drafted
Baertschi - 94 points in 47 games played
Saprykin - 66 points in 48 games played
St-Louis - 26 points in 25 games played (St. John)

NHL totals after 66 games
Baertschi - 8G 20A for 28 points
Saprykin - 9G 15A for 24 points
St-Louis - 4G 16A for 20 points

CalgaryFan1988 · 03-11-2015, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The year they were drafted
Baertschi - 85 points in 66 games played
Saprykin - 93 points in 66 games played
St-Louis - 50 points in 56 games played (undrafted, IHL numbers)

The year after they were drafted
Baertschi - 94 points in 47 games played
Saprykin - 66 points in 48 games played
St-Louis - 26 points in 25 games played (St. John)

NHL totals after 66 games
Baertschi - 8G 20A for 28 points
Saprykin - 9G 15A for 24 points
St-Louis - 4G 16A for 20 points

I was just pointing out that, obviously the jury is still out on Baertschi, but the odds of him being Saprykin v2 are better than him being Martin St-Louis v2.

Do you actually think he is going to be another St-Louis, or better? Not really sure what you are trying to show.