Winnipeg Most Racist City in Canada - Maclean's

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I look forward to reading most of it.

Awesome! I already have fans and I haven't even sat down to write anything yet.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I look forward to reading most of it.

I look forward to skimming it, then misunderstanding what it says to fit my own perception of the issues.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by jammies

I look forward to skimming it, then misunderstanding what it says to fit my own perception of the issues.

Amazing developments! Such gossip! Much Drama! Wow.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Because what the Canucks do is actually much closer to celebrating native culture than what the Redskins do, which is celebrate a native stereotype.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Canucks also involve the local First Nations communities in a lot of their gameday programs.

And now I'm going to go throw up for defending the Canucks on anything.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Actually, I don't really care. I'm not saying it's right. I just personally am not bothered by it.



No one is accepting racism against whites. We're arguing that no tangible racism against whites exists. If you disagree, then please provide some examples of where you've been unfairly discriminated against on the basis of your race, and how that's effected your life in any tangible, measurable or discernible way.

The other argument is that any racism against whites by aboriginals is a reaction to years of oppression and abuse suffered at the hands of whites. This isn't something I necessarily agree with, but we've seen in this thread that white people think it's perfectly okay to stereotype aboriginals based on the actions of other aboriginals and anecdotal experiences. If that's the case then isn't it understandable if aboriginals attach the stereotypes of racist, abusive #######s to white people based on their own anecdotal experiences?



Completely irrelevant to what we're discussing.



That first sentence is just one giant mess of a contradiction.

Let me get this straight, racism against white people doesn't exist?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Muta

Let me get this straight, racism against white people doesn't exist?

Pretty much.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Muta

Let me get this straight, racism against white people doesn't exist?

Look, if you're just going to cherry-pick lines to fit some silly, hypothetical, oppressed white guy scenario then have at it. I'm not really going to argue with you on something that is so obviously trivial to anyone who's ever actually engaged critically on the subject.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Muta

Let me get this straight, racism against white people doesn't exist?

Manitoba Deputy Premier Eric Robinson calls them "do-good white people."

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Muta

Let me get this straight, racism against white people doesn't exist?

Yep. Sociologists have decided to redefine racism as what used to be known as "institutionalized racism". So the only group of people who can be racists anymore are white. Anyone else is just "understandably prejudiced".

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Yep. Sociologists have decided to redefine racism as what used to be known as "institutionalized racism". So the only group of people who can be racists anymore are white. Anyone else is just "understandably prejudiced".

[Muta]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Look, if you're just going to cherry-pick lines to fit some silly, hypothetical, oppressed white guy scenario then have at it. I'm not really going to argue with you on something that is so obviously trivial to anyone who's ever actually engaged critically on the subject.

But you claimed "no tangible racism against whites exists."

You made the claim, not me. Can you put forth a link?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by jammies

I look forward to skimming it, then misunderstanding what it says to fit my own perception of the issues.

One can increase efficiency by not even skimming it. Not like perception will change anyway!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Muta

But you claimed "no tangible racism against whites exists."

You made the claim, not me. Can you put forth a link?

Hold on, I'm supposed to provide a link to something I think doesn't exist?

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Actually, I don't really care. I'm not saying it's right. I just personally am not bothered by it.

Good on you for existing in an area where discrimination has not affected you personally. I am sure in place like Calgary, walking down the street and being called a "cracka ass white boy" (or something equally ridiculous) is something you either laugh or or completely ignore.
Thing is, it's not always harmless.

No one is accepting racism against whites. We're arguing that no tangible racism against whites exists. If you disagree, then please provide some examples of where you've been unfairly discriminated against on the basis of your race, and how that's effected your life in any tangible, measurable or discernible way.

I grew up in a community which borders a reserve that has made headlines dozens of times for all the wrong reasons. I come from a very tolerant and fairly educated family (I have no source for this, but from experience, the hardcore racists I have dealt with tend to be.. Dumber people), with an agreeable personality so I tend to make friends with most people I come across.

I have been disgusted by friends of mine making racist comments towards other friends in my own home.. Sometimes it's not even comments, just a general disdain visible through actions / body language. Makes you feel ####ty for inviting someone into a situation like that. I have apologized for this countless times, and I'm usually told not to worry that's just how it is.

Fast forward, I have also been in the homes of friends or at various parties on the reserve as well, and I can guarantee that the racism displayed towards me has made a permanent impact on the way I view the world and treat others. Also, unlike much of what I witnessed on a regular basis, there were no attempts to mask the hatred.

The mother of my son is Metis, raised in Hobbema, and it took a good amount of convincing to get her to stick to her guns and hyphenate my son's last name, combining ours (we are unmarried, and have since split). I purchased a home in a neighbouring community that (to my knowledge) has far fewer racially motivated issues than my home town before had decided on having a family; the two way race issue was a factor.

The other argument is that any racism against whites by aboriginals is a reaction to years of oppression and abuse suffered at the hands of whites. This isn't something I necessarily agree with, but we've seen in this thread that white people think it's perfectly okay to stereotype aboriginals based on the actions of other aboriginals and anecdotal experiences. If that's the case then isn't it understandable if aboriginals attach the stereotypes of racist, abusive #######s to white people based on their own anecdotal experiences?

Whenever I hear that card played, I immediately think "weak leadership" and "poor parenting". In this day and age making excuses to victimize yourself or entire ethnicity tells me you lack role models. That's a whole different bag, which also needs to be addressed.

[SebC]

It's pretty damning that the region with the most familiarity with the aboriginal population holds the dimmest view of them.

If the stereotypes weren't rooted in truth, you'd expect it to be the other way around.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by karl262

Serious question - How would Canada go about abolishing the reserve system?

Pay natives individually rather than lump sum payments to the band, make the res administration operate like any other municipality, go to its members and raise money through taxes, therefore they will be held to a higher standard, it will also force them to either make the res more viable in order to keep their taxpayers on site or give the members some funds to where ever they move to.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by SebC

It's pretty damning that the region with the most familiarity with the aboriginal population holds the dimmest view of them.

If the stereotypes weren't rooted in truth, you'd expect it to be the other way around.

You're demonstrating shockingly bad logic.

[Azure]

Racism is a byproduct of the system. Until the system is fixed, there will always be racism.

When you segregate part of the population to 3rd world countries is it any surprise that they act like they live in a 3rd world country? And is it surprising that many people treat them like 3rd world citizens?

The bigger problem Canada has is that many of the 'ruling class' families that control the reserves across Canada have got themselves a very good gravy train. We do a lot of work on reserves and low-income housing projects, the abuse is pretty bad by the 'ruling class.'

Sounds crazy, but in the very bad reserves, it is a lot like the situation in a country like North Korea. The higher ups treat themselves like God himself, while neglecting and abusing the rest of the population. Pretty bleak.

[DiracSpike]

I think the state of our First Nations is the number one social issue affecting Canada and something that has to change. Unfortunately I don't know how that change can ever come about, it's pretty clear that abolishment of reserve culture and all hand outs is the solution but I don't ever see it happening. It's frustrating when the solution is there and glaringly obvious.
Also MacLeans is quickly becoming a complete garbage publication

[Coys1882]

It would be interesting to see the comparison between provinces when it comes to the wealth of the Indian bands. I wouldn't be surprised if you see SK and MB have the poorest reserves which see a larger number of poor natives flocking to the urban centres.

The most disappointing thing about this is that I have fallen for the classic mastabatory "rubecube and Friends" thread.