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Erick Estrada · 01-16-2015, 01:37 PM

Keep playing Ortio until things even out and he falls down to earth then send him back to the farm until Ramo is possibly moved or next offseason where he can come to camp to compete with Hiller for the starting job.

heep223 · 01-16-2015, 02:15 PM

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Keep Ortio up for an extended run. Glencross goes onto IR, the team rolls with only 1 spare forward (either Granlund or Raymond draw in for Glencross) and the Flames get a good look at Ortio.

The Flames don't need a good look at Ortio so that's not a reason for keeping him up. They know what they have and next year his contract is 1-way so he will be on the Flames next year in a split with either Hiller or Ramo. The questions they have to answer are a) what's best for Ortio's development right now and b) which one of Hiller/Ramo is going to be a Flame next year. If they're going to trade Ramo before he becomes a UFA then it may make sense to get him playing so that they can showcase him. Which would mean sending Ortio down.

Erick Estrada · 01-16-2015, 02:19 PM

People still think Ramo will be a Flame next year? His stats are inferior to Hiller's and his contract is expiring. He's good as gone.

blankall · 01-16-2015, 02:24 PM

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People still think Ramo will be a Flame next year? His stats are inferior to Hiller's and his contract is expiring. He's good as gone.

Agreed.

If someone is willing to offer anything descent for Ramo, we should jump all over it.

GranteedEV · 01-16-2015, 02:31 PM

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People still think Ramo will be a Flame next year? His stats are inferior to Hiller's and his contract is expiring. He's good as gone.

He also makes about 2 million less and should be a cheap resign, and can deliver more years as a backup as he is still in his twenties.

I prefer Hiller over Ramo, but I think Ramo is a better choice as a backup going forward. He's still good enough to give the Flames a chance to win on a given night.

heep223 · 01-16-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He also makes about 2 million less and should be a cheap resign, and can deliver more years as a backup as he is still in his twenties.

I prefer Hiller over Ramo, but I think Ramo is a better choice as a backup going forward. He's still good enough to give the Flames a chance to win on a given night.

A pro for Hiller though is that he has extensive experience in the NHL and can be a mentor to Ortio.

Erick Estrada · 01-16-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He also makes about 2 million less and should be a cheap resign, and can deliver more years as a backup as he is still in his twenties.

I prefer Hiller over Ramo, but I think Ramo is a better choice as a backup going forward. He's still good enough to give the Flames a chance to win on a given night.

You can argue that the tandem in a couple of years may be Ortio and Gillies so I would prefer Hiller to stick for the duration of his contract to ensure some stability in net and see where they are with Ortio after a season and where Gillies is with his development. Besides you have to consider that Ramo may have higher aspirations than just being the Flames backup and may want to test the market. I certainly would if I was him before accepting a backup role. Money isn't an issue for the Flames so I don't really think salaries come into play.

GranteedEV · 01-16-2015, 03:00 PM

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you have to consider that Ramo may have higher aspirations than just being the Flames backup and may want to test the market. I certainly would if I was him before accepting a backup role.

Well, you don't outright say to Karri that he's a backup. He knows as well as anyone that if he wins, he plays again and if Ortio loses he plays. He's been given that opportunity to play when he's won and when another goalie has lost. Even if Ortio is looking good, it's not like he's going to go undefeated or be given the #1 spot on a silver platter by Hartley. Unless we make the playoffs and Hartley switches to a playoff-coaching mode and sticks with one guy.

I do think Ramo will test the market, but I think if we do trade away Hiller, it's a sign of confidence in him that won't go un-noticed - especially since it was Feaster that brought him in and Treliving that brought Hiller in.

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Money isn't an issue for the Flames so I don't really think salaries come into play.

I agree that money isn't an issue, but if Ortio is the real deal, then it doesn't hurt to have less cap hit on the backup. Plus we might be able to resign ramo for ~3Y term at a discount, which would be some good stability as we transition to paying all the forwards big extension money. Flames know Ramo better than anyone in the league so they can also be most or least comfy signing him to a longer term.

Erick Estrada · 01-16-2015, 03:10 PM

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I do think Ramo will test the market, but I think if we do trade away Hiller, it's a sign of confidence in him that won't go un-noticed - especially since it was Feaster that brought him in and Treliving that brought Hiller in.

There you go. That's all you really need to know as it's pretty obvious how things are going to play out here. I just don't know how much teams are going to be needing a goaltender at the deadline so it will be interesting to see if there's a market for Ramo and if there is what the return will be.

GranteedEV · 01-16-2015, 03:13 PM

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That's all you really need to know as it's pretty obvious how things are going to play out here.

If that's the kind of me-first attitude Treliving is going to bring, I'd be pretty disappointed.

heep223 · 01-16-2015, 03:29 PM

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There you go. That's all you really need to know as it's pretty obvious how things are going to play out here.

No....no it's really not. Hartley also was brought in by Feaster. Treliving has been doing what's best for the organization not what is best for his ego.

dying4acup · 01-16-2015, 03:36 PM

Nothing is decided, but if Ortio wants to win a roster spot for next year, now is the time. The last thing u want is Treliving to go looking for a UFA starter because he's not confident in Ortio. This is why I want to see Ortio get at least another 5 games this season.

Samuelsson · 01-16-2015, 03:38 PM

I chose option B, but I meant to choose A. Send Ortio down with confidence - yeah, it's pretty enhanced numbers that aren't sustainable, but he'll have the belief that he can come up in the very near future and perform well.

Me personally, I'd keep Ramo and trade Hiller.

Miniac · 01-16-2015, 04:36 PM

No rush to trade away a goaltender right now.

the_only_turek_fan · 01-16-2015, 04:46 PM

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People still think Ramo will be a Flame next year? His stats are inferior to Hiller's and his contract is expiring. He's good as gone.

Hiller sucks EE.

Caged Great · 01-16-2015, 04:56 PM

For me, it depends 100% on the highest return for whichever goalie that you would look to move.

If you can get more for Hiller, move Hiller. If you can get more for Ramo, move Ramo. There isn't much of a difference between the two stats wise and neither guy is going to be "the guy" moving forward beyond next season. Ortio needs the opportunity to see if he can become the starter. He is getting that opportunity now and next season. If he can't take the job, then Gillies is next up, and then MacDonald after that.

Enoch Root · 01-16-2015, 07:41 PM

Flames' short term (current) goal: compete for a playoff spot. Best solution right now: keep playing Ortio while he's hot

Flames' long term goal: remain focused on developing players and building for the future. Best solution right now: keep playing Ortio while he's hot

Flames' organizational/philosophical goal: reward players who have earned ice-time. Best solution right now: run with Ortio

You simply have to keep playing him. While 3 goalies isn't ideal, it isn't a problem for a short period.

In all likelihood, the run ends and they send him back down and it was a nice story.

But there is also the off chance that he simply knocks it out of the park and becomes the new starter (ala Kipper in 2004). Unlikely, but if it happens, it's a huge win for the organization. Why would you simply close the door to that possibility?

kyuss275 · 01-16-2015, 08:20 PM

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Hiller sucks EE.

He is better than Ramo and would be a better mentor for Ortio.

GioforPM · 01-16-2015, 08:38 PM

Just contract length and experience wise you get more for Hiller than Ramo.

dying4acup · 01-16-2015, 09:28 PM

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He is better than Ramo and would be a better mentor for Ortio.

Partially disagree. We know nothing about his leadership, presence in the lockerroom or teaching skills.

It also speaks volumes how he lost the net in Anaheim, to the point where he became 3rd string behind 2 rookies. History looks to be (possibly repeating itself. Mechanically he is not great and I don't see consistency. He is streaky at best, and his good streaks are usually earlier in the year. He breaks down

Ramo hasn't shown the durability to play every day in the NHL but capable of 40-50 starts. Also cheaper. The Finn factor can't be dismissed. Also streaky, but his best streak was towards the end of the year.

Also keep in mind that if we trade a goalie, by rule we must have 3 goalies under contract playing pro.