Flames Player Lists: Core Pieces, Support Pieces & Expendable

[Mony]

I love how huge Kanzig is, and I'd love him more to be a 5/6 guy in our future. That would be so cool.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Kanzig has a very long way to go before even being a fringe NHL player, much less somebody that other teams will be afraid of.

That being said, I am also seriously cheering for the guy to make it.

We're pretty much excited because of one prospect camp from two summers ago. But boy oh boy, if he could translate even half of that to the NHL level, he'd be a sight to see.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

My bad. I meant Byron

[T@T]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

1) Good as he is, I don't think Gaudreau will last long playing legit 1st line minutes against western conference playoff teams.

Since he was 11 years old he kept hearing the same story from people like you, 11 years later he's still proving people like you wrong.

He hopes you teach your kids the same thinking to insure a long career.

[wired]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

The general consensus around here is that Iginla should have been traded earlier while his value was high.

The current general consensus sounds like Giordano is considered an untouchable and cannot be traded.

Am I misinformed on these two statements?
Why the difference?

imo...Iggy should not have been re-signed to his last contract. Flames should have traded him at the deadline that year

[wired]

If I was the fella making the decisions for the Flames. I would ship out, very soon:
1. Stajan
2. Glenncross
3. Bollig

The rest of the team seems to be playing hard every game.
Bollig is bad, Stajan is very stupid lately, and Glencross has completely checked out on this team. That is my opionion.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by wired

If I was the fella making the decisions for the Flames. I would ship out, very soon:
1. Stajan
2. Glenncross
3. Bollig

The rest of the team seems to be playing hard every game.
Bollig is bad, Stajan is very stupid lately, and Glencross has completely checked out on this team. That is my opionion.

Agreed. Stajan needs to go.

[#-3]

If I were GM the way I would look at it is, players are assets and there is a price for everyone.

Guys who are pretty much no starters in trade talks.
- Gaudreau
- Monahan
- Giordano
- Brodie

Guys I see no upside in moving right now, but would listen to good offers.
- Granlund
- Hudler
- Bouma
- Russell
- Hiller

Guys I would like to keep, unless another org is willing to really pay for them, you remember a couple of years ago when the caps wanted Erat so badly they offered their #1 prospect for him, that type of offer would certainly make these guys available.
- Colborne
- Backlund
- Jooris

Guy I think are important to the team right now, and wouldn't move unless it makes the team better right now.
- Glencross
- McGrattan
- Ramo
- Smid
- Stajan
- Wideman

Guys I would definitely move to make the organization better
- Bollig
- Byron
- Diaz
- Engelland
- Jones
- Potter
- Raymond


To me the guys in bold are the most interesting ones, because if this team was 10 points behind where they are now, I would probably be calling them trade bait, and it the team was 10 points ahead of where they are there would probably be allot more guys I would see no upside in moving.

[#-3]

And the Prospects. I thought it worked better on a different list.

Guys who are pretty much no starters in trade talks
- Bennett

Guys I see no upside in moving right now (I think there upside is much higher and any trade value they would have)
- Arnold
- Gillies
- Ferland
- Culkin
- Jankowski
- Kanzig
- Klimchuk
- Kulak
- Poirier
- Rafikov

Guys I would like to keep, unless another org is willing to really pay for them
- Baertschi
- McDonald
- Ortio
- Seiloff
- Smith
- Wootherspoon

Guys I would definitely move to make the organization better
- Acolatse
- Agostino
- Carroll
- DeBlouw
- Elson
- Gilmour
- Hanowski
- Harrison
- Hickey
- Knight
- Ollas Mattsson
- Ramage
- Reinhart
- Roy
- Van Brabant

The real problem with both these list, is like most teams there is not all that much to get excited over on the list of guys I would have no problem moving.

Looks like I missed Seto, Theissen & Wolf. But they could go on the last list as well.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by wired

imo...Iggy should not have been re-signed to his last contract. Flames should have traded him at the deadline that year

Really? 30 years-old, about to finish the season with 50 goals and 98 points and you're going to dump him at the deadline?

Of course, this assumes you didn't sign him to an extension the previous summer after he put up 94 points in 70 games as a 29 year-old (which the Flames did).

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by #-3

Guys I would definitely move to make the organization better
- Acolatse
- Agostino
- Carroll
- DeBlouw
- Elson
- Gilmour
- Hanowski
- Harrison
- Hickey
- Knight
- Ollas Mattsson
- Ramage
- Reinhart
- Roy
- Van Brabant

Two of these players are very new with the Flames, and all three are having great years. I wouldn't jump to move players like these.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

The general consensus around here is that Iginla should have been traded earlier while his value was high.

The current general consensus sounds like Giordano is considered an untouchable and cannot be traded.

Am I misinformed on these two statements?
Why the difference?

If you want to go further back than the 2012 season, I would more or less go with the vocal minority.

As for why the difference, the age, direction and prospect pool of the team.

In recent years they had lost "core" players for next to nothing.
Phanuef for a 3rd line centerman, and a bunch of guys who were gone
Regher for a second round pick, and a couple of B prospects
Langkow to injury/for a 3rd line winger.

And your real core players left were
Iginla, Kiprusoff, Bouwmeester & Giordano
34, 34, 27, 27

Your secondary group was made up of a bunch of players who were ran out of other cities, Cammalleri, Jokinen, & Tanguay, Hannan
Average Age 31

the Prospect pool was Backlund, Brodie, Baertschi, Bouma, Byron, Horak, Aliu, Irving, Reinhart, Arnold, a bunch of guys we knew weren't working out and a new batch of later round draft picks that in retrospect are working out nicely.

The team was over the hill, lacking at Center, and their important players did not create plays.

So the team getting better with those guys seemed bleak.



Go forward 3 years, you've added core players, the group playing in the NHL is now

Brodie, Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, and hopefully should be growing
23.5

Your Secondary Player, Hudler, Wideman, Russell, Backlund, Colborne are either young players or guys who were sought after in free agency.
Average Age 27

A younger team, stronger up the middle, better at creating plays with the puck. This team is missing a guy would could win the vezina or rocket richard which was always here in the past but they have allot more room to grow right now, and guys who will do more to make the players around them better.

It makes more sense to keep a 31 year old captain now, than it made to keep a 34 year old captain 3 years ago.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Two of these players are very new with the Flames, and all three are having great years. I wouldn't jump to move players like these.

Not really jumping to move anyone. But if you and use any combination of those guys to bring in someone you really believe will be a difference maker i think you do it.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by wired

If I was the fella making the decisions for the Flames. I would ship out, very soon:
1. Stajan
2. Glenncross
3. Bollig

The rest of the team seems to be playing hard every game.
Bollig is bad, Stajan is very stupid lately, and Glencross has completely checked out on this team. That is my opionion.

It's not so much your opinion that is messed up, it's your reasoning that just doesn't seem right. Stajan has been stupid? Glencross is checked out on the team? What's brought you to those conclusions?

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

It's not so much your opinion that is messed up, it's your reasoning that just doesn't seem right. Stajan has been stupid? Glencross is checked out on the team? What's brought you to those conclusions?

I think it comes from a desire to dress only rookies and have no veterans in a lineup.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think it comes from a desire to dress only rookies and have no veterans in a lineup.

Well tbh I was thinking the same thing as you, but didn't want the jump to conclusions mat from the other thread get pulled out on me so I figured I'd ask

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

1) Good as he is, I don't think Gaudreau will last long playing legit 1st line minutes against western conference playoff teams. Maybe he would survive, but I don't think it's a good idea to lean on him that heavily.

Yea he looked horribly out of place against the big bad defending Stanley Cup Champion LA Kings last week.

[Monahan23]

My list of untouchables

- Monahan
- Brodie
- Giordano
- Bennett
- Gaudreau

Guys you with high upside that shouldn't be traded unless great return

- Hudler
- Russell
- Granlund
- Colborne
- Hiller
- Gillies
- Wotherspoon
- Sieloff
- Baertschi
- Klimchuk
- Poirier
- Backlund
- Jooris
- McDonald
- Ortio
- Knight

Guys who are important right now and don't trade unless you get it helps the team now

- Bouma
- Stajan
- Wideman
- Ramo
- Byron

Prospects I'd rather keep but could be traded

- Smith
- Reinhart
- Jankowski
- Arnold
- Kulak
- Culkin
- Ferland
- Kanzig
- Hickey
- Ollas Mattsson
- Gilmour
- Rafikov

Guys I'd trade to make the organization better

- Agostino
- Raymond
- Hanowski
- Carroll
- Ramage
- Roy
- Acolatse
- Potter
- DeBlouw
- Reinhart
- Harrison
- Elson
- Van Brabant
- McGrattan
- Jones

Please Take

- Smid
- Engelland
- Diaz

[Lanny_McDonald]

Untouchables: No one. Anyone is available for the right price.

Core: Bennett, Monahan, Gaudreau, Brodie

Primary support (players still critical to the team's interest and require overpayment to move): Giordano, Hudler, Colborne

Secondary support (players who are replaceable, so available for the right price): Jooris, Granlund, Bouma, Russell, Wideman, Hiller, Ramo

Trade fodder: Raymond, Backlund, Stajan, Bollig, Glencross, Smid, Engelland, Diaz

Primary prospects (those I could see with the Flames so not inclined to deal): Poirier, Ferland, Arnold, Agostino, Jankowski, Klimchuk, Harrison, Smith, Wotherspoon, Culkin, Hickey, Gilmour, Sieloff, Rafikov, Gillies, MacDonald

There are some prospects that I think we need to see a little more of to get a better read on where they fit, but those are mostly the guys just drafted. All the rest should be available if they can improve the team.

[Karl]

untouchables are:
- Gaudreau
- Monahan
- Bennett
- Giordano
- Brodie


Who I would prefer to keep but would move if involved in great return:
- Colborne
- Hudler
- Granlund
- Bouma
- Jooris
- Russell
- Backlund
- Baertschi

Who I don't mind being moved at all:
- Wideman
- Glencross
- Byron
- Stajan
- Jones
- Raymond
- Bollig
- McGrattan
- Smid
- Engelland
- Diaz

The further up any of the players are in any list, the less I'd like to see them moved. The lower they are, the more I'd like them moved.