Dental decay rampant in Calgary

[moncton golden flames]

so, is fluoride really the cause of increased tooth decay, or can it be more likely that poor brushing, flossing and a diet of high sugar foods is more to blame?

if fluoride is supposed to decrease to the chance of tooth decay, then so is proper hygiene and diet.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

so, is fluoride really the cause of increased tooth decay, or can it be more likely that poor brushing, flossing and a diet of high sugar foods is more to blame?

if fluoride is supposed to decrease to the chance of tooth decay, then so is proper hygiene and diet.

The quality of brushing, flossing and diet has probably not changed.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by troutman

The quality of brushing, flossing and diet has probably not changed.

that's quiet the assumption isn't it?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

that's quiet the assumption isn't it?

Seriously? Are you really trying to argue some sort of case that personal hygiene of Calgarians hit the dumpster the minute fluoride was removed from the water? I think it's very safe to assume dental habits of Calgarians haven't changed a whole lot since the change.

[Kybosh]

I kinda doubt dental habits have greatly changed (I would probably assume they are mostly constant over a large sample size), but diet should absolutely be part of the investigation.

Edit: I'll add that if you compare Edmonton to Calgary, which would have almost exact same variables other than fluoride, you'd see a more reliable trend.

[Yasa]

Do people have a problem with iodine in our salt, folic acid in our flour and vitamin D in our dairy? If I want goiter, rickets, or bad teeth then that's my right as a citizen. I don't need big government telling me how bowed my legs should be or how big my thyroid should grow. Maybe I want health deficiencies, they don't know that!

[Ducay]

Sounds like you guys aren't using your fluoride trays enough. I'm a big fluoride guy



Also, has anyone above the age of 10 chosen a flavour that is not plain/mint at the Dentist? Why does my hygienist list the flavours every time to me, as an adult? No I do not want fake grape flavour raping my mouth for the next 30 minutes, as I cannot drink or rinse.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I kinda doubt dental habits have greatly changed (I would probably assume they are mostly constant over a large sample size), but diet should absolutely be part of the investigation.

Diet has definitely changed over the last 10-15 years. The increase of "sticky" fruit snacks has been terrible from a dental point of view. A lot of kids start eating 2-3 packages of these things a day at a very young age .... parents think they are a fruit substitute ( believe it or not).
In my experience, decay in kids was increasing even before fluoride was removed from the water, likely due to diet .... fluoride removal is just making it worse.
As far as council voting to remove fluoride from the water .... the way they went about still bothers me. Don't mention it in the election, ignore science, ignore the Chief Medical Officer, little public consultation, no plebiscite ... bam, it's done, very disappointing

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Diet has definitely changed over the last 10-15 years. The increase of "sticky" fruit snacks has been terrible from a dental point of view. A lot of kids start eating 2-3 packages of these things a day at a very young age .... parents think they are a fruit substitute ( believe it or not).
In my experience, decay in kids was increasing even before fluoride was removed from the water, likely due to diet .... fluoride removal is just making it worse.
As far as council voting to remove fluoride from the water .... the way they went about still bothers me. Don't mention it in the election, ignore science, ignore the Chief Medical Officer, little public consultation, no plebiscite ... bam, it's done, very disappointing

I don't know...I'm 40 and as a kid I ate fruit rollups, drank pop and ate chocolate bars constantly. Diet hasn't changed much from when I was a kid at all.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Sounds like you guys aren't using your fluoride trays enough. I'm a big fluoride guy



Also, has anyone above the age of 10 chosen a flavour that is not plain/mint at the Dentist? Why does my hygienist list the flavours every time to me, as an adult? No I do not want fake grape flavour raping my mouth for the next 30 minutes, as I cannot drink or rinse.

I think I did Strawberry once. It wasn't that bad actually but typically I always do mint.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Once again, just my personal observation. Moving from Edmonton (late 60's fluoridation) to Calgary (fluoridation starting in 1991) in the early 90's, a look back in the charts of the office I worked at would show more decay in kids from Calgary.

I grew up in Ontario and when I went to a dentist in Calgary after living there for awhile and neglecting my teeth, the Dentist said, you're from Ontario aren;t you? I asked how he knew and he said because of the flouridation I grew up with I had really good teeth, even after the neglect.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

As far as council voting to remove fluoride from the water .... the way they went about still bothers me. Don't mention it in the election, ignore science, ignore the Chief Medical Officer, little public consultation, no plebiscite ... bam, it's done, very disappointing

Councillors narrowly voted against doing a plebiscite and plebiscites are non binding anyways. I believe one Councillor basically said that the population is too stupid to vote on such matters and a plebiscite would be a waste of time and money.

[Locke]

I dont know about the rest of you, but I was relying pretty heavily on the fluoride in the water.

I mean, if we're going to have chemicals in the water why bother with all this monotonous and repetitive 'brushing' nonsense. No one has time for that.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I grew up in Ontario and when I went to a dentist in Calgary after living there for awhile and neglecting my teeth, the Dentist said, you're from Ontario aren;t you? I asked how he knew and he said because of the flouridation I grew up with I had really good teeth, even after the neglect.

My dentist said the same when I moved to CGY in 95. She knew I had spent my youth in a community with fluoride as my teeth are perfect. She says most people my age from Calgary have cavities, I'm 44 and have none.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by habernac

My dentist said the same when I moved to CGY in 95. She knew I had spent my youth in a community with fluoride as my teeth are perfect. She says most people my age from Calgary have cavities, I'm 44 and have none.

I had the first two cavities in my life filled yesterday at age 48. Was it the lack of fluoride in the water?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by troutman

I had the first two cavities in my life filled yesterday at age 48. Was it the lack of fluoride in the water?

probably,

other symptoms I have experienced with the lack of flouride is poor eyesite and growing hair in the palms of my hands.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Councillors narrowly voted against doing a plebiscite and plebiscites are non binding anyways. I believe one Councillor basically said that the population is too stupid to vote on such matters and a plebiscite would be a waste of time and money.

I'll give you that .... plebiscites are probably useless. But the end around they pulled was terrible.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by V

Do you not have the freedom to install an RO unit of your own?

That's taking away freedom of choice. People don't seem to care much about it these days and prefer passive aggressiveness, rhetoric, sarcasm, backhanded insults and intellectual fascism.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by ernie

I don't know...I'm 40 and as a kid I ate fruit rollups, drank pop and ate chocolate bars constantly. Diet hasn't changed much from when I was a kid at all.

Genetics must be in your favor.
I had terrible hygiene has a kid .... but had fluoridated well water, no cavities.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Why is every page related to Fluoride allergy some bull#### Natural News-type garbage site?

Ugh, I read this post and decided I wanted to try to find an academic source that would say anything about Fluoride allergy. Find a peer-reviewed article about the Ethics of artificial fluoridation, and this line leads me to what looked to me a promising study: "other studies have suggested that high fluoride levels are associated with adverse health effects such as hypothyroidism, osteosarcoma, pathological bone fractures and allergies"

So I go check out that study, not a single word about allergies. How the hell does this ethics article get past the peer-review stage with posting false information like that?

So unfortunately my search was was for nothing, couldn't find a legitimate article in the last 20 years that even investigated fluoride allergies in water. The fact that reading through some articles I found that milk, meat, natural wells, many water supplies in Europe have fluoride in them already makes me lean to the side that a fluoride allergy claim is absolute bull****.