[Rumour] Dreger: Flames very much in the market for trades

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

If I had a choice then Hiller would get waived.

It all depends on the rest of the season of Ramo does show he's significantly better do you still keep Hiller?

Tough to say. I think that Hiller and Ramo are both of similar quality, but if Ramo does manage to separate himself by the end of the year then you have some decisions to make. I guess it would depend on how Ortio progresses throughout the season as well. If Ortio isn't ready maybe you sign Ramo for another year or 2 and see how it plays out. If Ortio continues to play well in the AHL this season hopefully you get him into some games at some point and see how well he faces NHL shooters behind this improving team.

I don't think you put Hiller on waivers unless he completely poops the bed though. He definately still has value and will for a few more years yet.

[Stay Golden]

Dreger and Francis same guy different suit. Eric Dreger.

[stone hands]

only person they should shop is stajan and a lw prospect maybe imo

real logjam with lefties in general on the team and i think granlund has made matty expendable. other than being injured he's been great over the least 2+ seasons

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by stone hands

only person they should shop is stajan and a lw prospect maybe imo

real logjam with lefties in general on the team and i think granlund has made matty expendable. other than being injured he's been great over the least 2+ seasons

Regarding Stajan: sure, you see if other teams might be interested, but unless somebody was willing to offer a decent enough package then it makes more sense to keep him around. Even if other, younger players have surpassed him he's useful as a depth guy, and it's better to have depth than trade it away just for the sake of it.

His value to the team probably outweighs his value on the trade market. As long as that is the case he will remain a Flame. That applies to most of the trade-bait suggestions that get thrown around here.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Regarding Stajan: sure, you see if other teams might be interested, but unless somebody was willing to offer a decent enough package then it makes more sense to keep him around. Even if other, younger players have surpassed him he's useful as a depth guy, and it's better to have depth than trade it away just for the sake of it.

His value to the team probably outweighs his value on the trade market. As long as that is the case he will remain a Flame. That applies to most of the trade-bait suggestions that get thrown around here.

I definitely agree with the bolded part, but at what point, does a great personality, mentor, leader, and depth role players value to the team, no longer outweigh his trade value?
Obviously you need a guy like Stajan during a rebuild, but if the Flames are a playoff team this year, and get off to a good start next year, is that when you look at moving him?
As far as depth at centre goes, we have Monahan, Backlund (when healthy), Granlund, Colborne, Jooris, all showing they are solid NHLers now, not to mention, Bouma and Byron are both capable bottom 6 centers. Knight, Arnold, Reinhart and of course Bennett who are knocking on the door.
Once Bennett is healthy, he could be capable of making the jump fulltime as early as next year, Knight, Arnold, and Reinhart are all capable depth call ups and then there is Jankowski...

The flames strongest depth is down the middle. Is Stajan really more valuable in this in the line-up simply as a veteran presence, when it keeps one of the developing kids out of the line-up, when we are clearly progressing? Or is it of more value to trade him for a decent return to fill an area that lacks depth, or for picks?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by stone hands

only person they should shop is stajan and a lw prospect maybe imo

real logjam with lefties in general on the team and i think granlund has made matty expendable. other than being injured he's been great over the least 2+ seasons

False. Stajan is the player we'd like to trade to get what we need, but that will never happen. Typical response when a team is playing well, and in our case surprising. We all fall in love with the players we've seen, and struggle to wrap our heads around trading any of the guys we are starting love.

But now is the time to make a trade actually (if it's the right type only) because we can trade from a position of strength. This start has proven we have a lot of great Top 9 depth of young players in our system. In an ideal world, we wouldn't need all of them. Not something you rush, and not something you do unless the return is right, but Treliving should absolutely be looking to make a deal from our strong suit of an organization to address our weakness, which is the same type of young depth on D.

If our injury bug had hit us on the back end, and not the forward ranks, very doubtful this team would have been able to manage it they way they have with the call ups we'd have options for on the farm on the D. That's something that Flames should try to shore up if the right deal comes along, but you have to give something to get something, Stajan is likely not going to get us the type of players we want back.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

If I had a choice then Hiller would get waived.

It all depends on the rest of the season of Ramo does show he's significantly better do you still keep Hiller?

There are enough teams with goaltending issues that Hiller is never going to be waived while he's under contract with us. He'd get a 2nd back.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

A short term, high cap hit player fits the bill for the salary dump to gain a pick trade.
Burying players making more than around 900K doesn't provide full cap reductions and you still have to pay the salary. Teams who might make this trade are budget teams replacing from within or teams against the cap needing cap space to improve.
The Flames could simply grab a player in a deal on an off day, demote a young guy, throw the acquired player on waivers, then call that young guy straight back up.

Take a guy like Fleischmann on Florida - last year of his deal, makes 4.5M cap hit, 1G, 1A in 18 games. If Florida wants to clear the $$ away, and they bury him, they still have a cap hit of around 3.6M on their team for nothing. And they have to pay the salary. We take that on, get an incentive, such as a pick.

Example Trade = Setoguchi for Fleischmann + 2nd round pick.

Honestly, this would work if not for two problems. 1) They have cap room to eat his contract this year and simply let him go to free agency, and 2) They are also rebuilding and are unlikely to give away any 1st or 2nd round pick for the next few years.

But make no mistake, the Panthers would love to be rid of Fleischmann. Pirri, Trocheck, Hayes, and Grimaldi are all out performing him at both ends of the rink. They would love to make some room on the roster for more of those kids (sound familiar?).

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I've said it before and will say it again Ramo has #1 potential in this league, even from the start of last year he's improved a LOT.

He will be here for a while and should be given a good run, he's at least better then Hiller.

A dman to target should be Zach Bogosian, price will be hefty so I'm not sure what to offer.

Granlund + Wideman + Klimchuk?

What a truly awful trade. Bogosian is almost a reclamation project at this point. He's not as good offensively or defensively as he's ever been projected to be. He's now in his 7th year in the league, so he's pretty much a finished project. Yes, he's only 24, and he's big, but that's about it in terms of upside.

Giving up a future 2nd/3rd line center/winger, a top 4 defenseman who's the leading goal scorer among defenders, and a blue chip prospect in Klimchuk would be horrible asset management just to get a guy like Bogosian.

[HelloHockeyFans]

It's too bad Pittsburgh is doing so well this year, otherwise there might be a fit with them and Glencross. He alone wouldn't be enough but would love to see Harrington come back the other way. I can also see Glencross having crazy success riding shotgun with Sid.

[djsFlames]

Anybody else weirded out by seeing Blake freakin Comeau netting hat tricks with the Pens?

That team can even make our old scraps look good.

[dammage79]

I know this is dreger but Eklund has CGY and CAR talking about a top six forward.....

Raise the red alert, Semin could come to CGY. Top line RW when he's into it. Useless plug when he doesn't care. Can Hartley get Semin to chomp on the bit and play like the Star he can be when he tries?

I find that a more interesting question. Because if you can wake Semin up, he's scary good.

EDIT: And if he can play inspired hockey and score like a champ, his salary is worth every penny.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I know this is dreger but Eklund has CGY and CAR talking about a top six forward.....

Raise the red alert, Semin could come to CGY. Top line RW when he's into it. Useless plug when he doesn't care. Can Hartley get Semin to chomp on the bit and play like the Star he can be when he tries?

I find that a more interesting question. Because if you can wake Semin up, he's scary good.

I am extremely confident Semin isn't coming to Calgary. Unless it's to send him down (assuming no NMC) and bury the money

[Locke]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Anybody else weirded out by seeing Blake freakin Comeau netting hat tricks with the Pens?

That team can even make our old scraps look good.

I dont even pay attention to the Eastern Conference. Its so wacky you cant really draw any solid conclusions.

Originally Posted by dammage79

I know this is dreger but Eklund has CGY and CAR talking about a top six forward.....

Raise the red alert, Semin could come to CGY. Top line RW when he's into it. Useless plug when he doesn't care. Can Hartley get Semin to chomp on the bit and play like the Star he can be when he tries?

I find that a more interesting question. Because if you can wake Semin up, he's scary good.

EDIT: And if he can play inspired hockey and score like a chap, his salary is worth every penny.

No. No. No. We arent having trouble scoring goals, dont bring a bad attitude into a rocking lockerroom.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I am extremely confident Semin isn't coming to Calgary. Unless it's to send him down (assuming no NMC) and bury the money

In fairness, it's an assumption on my part. Maybe it's CGY sending a FW to CAR, which makes sense too as there's going to be a log jam coming up right quick here. Maybe they're kicking tires on Sekera or a decent D man from CAR.

I still think Semin could revive his star power in the environment CG has going on right now.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by dammage79

In fairness, it's an assumption on my part. Maybe it's CGY sending a FW to CAR, which makes sense too as there's going to be a log jam coming up right quick here. Maybe they're kicking tires on Sekera or a decent D man from CAR.

I still think Semin could revive his star power in the environment CG has going on right now.

You don't want a player you have to kickstart. You can do it for a short period of time, but it never lasts

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dammage79

In fairness, it's an assumption on my part. Maybe it's CGY sending a FW to CAR, which makes sense too as there's going to be a log jam coming up right quick here. Maybe they're kicking tires on Sekera or a decent D man from CAR.

I still think Semin could revive his star power in the environment CG has going on right now.

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[PeteMoss]

I would be shocked if the Flames bring in Semin. If they took him and that contract they'd have to get a 1st round pick as well for a 7th or something.

Only guys that would make sense are a Staal. Skinner and Gerbe are small. Tlusty isn't much of an improvement and they aren't trading Lindholm.

If its a defenseman.. Sekara is also relatively small. Maybe Hainsey although he's declining.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

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[PeteMoss]

Just noticed this was an Eklund thing... I regret wasting keystrokes.