Calgary Flames Culture Starting To Catch Notice

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Even in toe drags?

Wheelchair joke?

[Sylvanfan]

I think when Sutter moved out as coach, there was a huge leadership void behind the bench. Iginla no longer had to play the way he did under Daryl Sutter, and he liked the way he was allowed to play under Playfair, and subsequently Keenan. Let's count how many different coaches Iginla had during his tenure in Calgary
Page
Brian Sutter
Hay
Gilbert
Coates
D.Sutter
Playfair
Keenan
Brent Sutter
Hartley

10 coaches in what 16 years of playing or whatever it was although 9 in reality as Coates was just an interim guy. Still that's absurd for coach turn over. When a player lasts thru that many coaches...they likely will do things their own way until they get moved out. It may have been his way of getting himself moved out.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by waner

No Feaster is definitely the one with no intelligence and the owner tying his hands debate has been dealt with way too much already. Sutter has as much, if not more on the progress of this team than Feaster (Gio, Brodie, Bouma, Backlund, Stajan, Glencross), but again that has been dealt with plenty on this board as well.

Iginla was part of the hardest working team in Flames history and one that also got results. To see people try to change history and just flat out make up BS about him is tiring.

Any talk about him not fitting into to what the team is doing now is flat out BS.

I would say for 1 season they were. After their run to the finals they began thinking they were all skilled superstars and got away from the hard work that got them to the show.

[1stLand]

If we trade for Iginla, Brad Treliving will have to go out and find a "1st Line Center" for Iginla to play with.

How come with the group of forwards we have right now, no one in the Media, or in the Public Forums mentions anything about the Flames lacking a #1 Center?

It's because we have a balanced line-up who play great as a unit.

We don't create our roster simply so that one player Benefits.

The Common Re-Occurring theme when Iginla was around was that he wasn't playing great because / and or he would have got more points if he had a 1st Line Center.

The Flames delayed the re-build by many years by recycling aging vets through signing and trades in hopes they could pro-long Iginla's career.
The writing was on the wall after the Chicago Playoff Series that the team was on the decline, but the management delayed rebuilding just to appease the fan-boys of Iginla.

I am still a bit sour that Iginla veto'd a trade we had in place with Boston that would have netted us a greater return than what we got from Pittsburgh - then turned around and signed with Boston the next year.

People may be critical of my criticism of Iginla because he is the 'sacred cow' of the franchise. But ultimately I am a Flames Fan first and foremost. My only concern is seeing the team do well and get in the playoffs. Not to cheer for a childhood idol.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

If we trade for Iginla, Brad Treliving will have to go out and find a "1st Line Center" for Iginla to play with.

How come with the group of forwards we have right now, no one in the Media, or in the Public Forums mentions anything about the Flames lacking a #1 Center?

It's because we have a balanced line-up who play great as a unit.

We don't create our roster simply so that one player Benefits.

The Common Re-Occurring theme when Iginla was around was that he wasn't playing great because / and or he would have got more points if he had a 1st Line Center.

The Flames delayed the re-build by many years by recycling aging vets through signing and trades in hopes they could pro-long Iginla's career.
The writing was on the wall after the Chicago Playoff Series that the team was on the decline, but the management delayed rebuilding just to appease the fan-boys of Iginla.

I am still a bit sour that Iginla veto'd a trade we had in place with Boston that would have netted us a greater return than what we got from Pittsburgh - then turned around and signed with Boston the next year.

People may be critical of my criticism of Iginla because he is the 'sacred cow' of the franchise. But ultimately I am a Flames Fan first and foremost. My only concern is seeing the team do well and get in the playoffs. Not to cheer for a childhood idol.

I am also quite sour about that too. Good to see he hasn't won one with his merc ways. I always liked Iggy but after that who cares.

[waner]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

If we trade for Iginla, Brad Treliving will have to go out and find a "1st Line Center" for Iginla to play with.

How come with the group of forwards we have right now, no one in the Media, or in the Public Forums mentions anything about the Flames lacking a #1 Center?

Because the team is expected to finish bottom 5 so they don't need a number 1 guy right now because they have time to see if Monahan or Bennett develop into one. If they did fluke into the play-offs the talk of a lack of an elite center would be mentioned especially when guys like Getzlaf are sweeping them out of the play-offs.

The Common Re-Occurring theme when Iginla was around was that he wasn't playing great because / and or he would have got more points if he had a 1st Line Center.

The common theme when Iginla was around was that he was playing great enough to make All-Star teams, win awards, make team Canada's etc.

The Flames delayed the re-build by many years by recycling aging vets through signing and trades in hopes they could pro-long Iginla's career.
The writing was on the wall after the Chicago Playoff Series that the team was on the decline, but the management delayed rebuilding just to appease the fan-boys of Iginla.

That is on management not Iginla. Seems odd to blame a guy for being so great that he alone is able to make the team into a contender and give people hope the team can win.

I am still a bit sour that Iginla veto'd a trade we had in place with Boston that would have netted us a greater return than what we got from Pittsburgh - then turned around and signed with Boston the next year.

Why not be bitter at the people that gave him that right, or the guy who didn't check with him before negotiating? Seems odd to be bitter towards a guy who did what he was 100% entitled to do.

People may be critical of my criticism of Iginla because he is the 'sacred cow' of the franchise. But ultimately I am a Flames Fan first and foremost. My only concern is seeing the team do well and get in the playoffs. Not to cheer for a childhood idol.

People are critical because you take things out of context and warp them into being Iginla's fault. You focus on negative things that were a tiny role in the team and make them out to be the major issues. You misrepresent the Iginla era to always make him out to be the bad guy and negative force.

[waner]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I would say for 1 season they were. After their run to the finals they began thinking they were all skilled superstars and got away from the hard work that got them to the show.

And that is Iginla's fault?

[nik-]

Giving a list of teams and then limiting after negotiations have started with one of those teams to cross them off is bush league. Whether he had the right to or not, or whether management should have got it in writing or not. It's a ####ty move.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by waner

And that is Iginla's fault?

No - it is a rebuttal (which it seems you accept) that the Flames were not a hard working team.

As time went on they were often described as "too easily satisfied". They'd win a couple and figure they were good enough to coast.

[waner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No - it is a rebuttal (which it seems you accept) that the Flames were not a hard working team.

As time went on they were often described as "too easily satisfied". They'd win a couple and figure they were good enough to coast.

Yep the team after the lockout appeared to have issues with entitlement but that hardly seems to be Iginla's fault and the original statement that was made in here is that Iginla would not be able to fit in with the hard work/what Hartley is preaching which is BS since he has shown he fits in just fine with that kind of team in the past.

[Hemi-Cuda]

For all those claiming Iginla was a crap leader and Giordano is the best captain in franchise history, who do you think Gio learned his leadership skills from? He spent 6 years playing with Iginla, it's hard to think that had no effect on his development

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

For all those claiming Iginla was a crap leader and Giordano is the best captain in franchise history, who do you think Gio learned his leadership skills from? He spent 6 years playing with Iginla, it's hard to think that had no effect on his development

Can we say Theo Fleury was a great captain too then?

[waner]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Can we say Theo Fleury was a great captain too then?

Not sure why you would want to but its a free world you can say what you want.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by waner

Not sure why you would want to but its a free world you can say what you want.

well in case it wasn't obvious, I was pointing out the correlation between a Giordano's leadership and how he learned it from Iginla...

[ForeverFlameFan]

Lets talk about the culture we've established. As I recall, Iginla is not part of this team. He was and will always be my favorite player, my favorite Flame.

But, I've moved on to our new team, our new identity. Mark Giordano is the captain now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by waner

Yep the team after the lockout appeared to have issues with entitlement but that hardly seems to be Iginla's fault and the original statement that was made in here is that Iginla would not be able to fit in with the hard work/what Hartley is preaching which is BS since he has shown he fits in just fine with that kind of team in the past.

But your statement that Iginla was on the hardest working team in the NHL ascribed credit to him for that. Doesn't the same apply when its not hardworking?

I agree - Iginla himself was a fitness guy and worked hard generally, though at the end of his tenure he was not usually at optional practices.

I don't cast aspersions on his character or work ethic. I just don't think he fits here - not so much in character as in role.

[stone hands]

iggy was great and I miss him as a face in the lineup without question. probably the greatest player to wear flames silks

that said, his trade was a gigantic addition by subtraction. the team was no longer the Calgary iginlas, and had to figure out what the Calgary flames were. Now that we've seen what they are, I'd have made the trade for a bag of pucks if I had to. Really begs the question about how far along we would be if we could have dealt him when he was actually worth something in the open market

Say what you will about how we have placed 25th and 27th since his departure, since it's fair, but if you'd really prefer to go back to that flames team then I don't know what to tell you

Warrener last week or the week before(not the greatest insight, or any really) said that Colorado is suffering from: iggy/tanguay syndrome. take that how you will

[Enoch Root]

This thread was about Hartley and the culture of the team getting some recognition.

How many times do you guys have to re-hash the same stupid conversations about Iginla and the Iginla trade?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This thread was about Hartley and the culture of the team getting some recognition.

How many times do you guys have to re-hash the same stupid conversations about Iginla and the Iginla trade?

Because the culture change in this team is entwined and perhaps birthed by that day unfortunately.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

For all those claiming Iginla was a crap leader and Giordano is the best captain in franchise history, who do you think Gio learned his leadership skills from? He spent 6 years playing with Iginla, it's hard to think that had no effect on his development

I think we'll have a better assessment of Gio's leadership qualities after this team hits some adversity. He came in at a time when expectations were low, so everyone is happy with the overachieving team. But this team will hit a rough patch, and how Gio is perceived to handle that will go a long way to cementing (or questioning) his leadership qualities.

I think that is where Iginla's leadership weakness came to the forefront. He clearly helped the team to a strong position in the league, but as adversity increased and the team missed the playoffs, it didn't seem as if he managed that as well as he managed the team's ascent.

Posters rightly point to Iginla being a hard worker in the off-season, symbolic of a captain leading by example. But sometimes these things become a form of habit (albeit good ones), and not necessarily a sign of overt leadership. When asked to modify his game to better help the team, he definitely was out of his comfort zone and reluctant to do the (mental) heavy work to adapt his game. I still remember that scrum before a Detroit game when B. Sutter was talking to the reporters and saying how some players need to adapt to a changing team, and Iginla was telling reporters how the coach wants him to play one way, but he felt he had strengths in another direction.

Hard work isn't always the physical exertion. Sometimes it can involve challenging your mental outlook and moving out of your comfort zone. I don't think Iggy did that well enough; time will tell if Gio is able to better handle such adversity.