Jai Courtney is what pisses me off the most about all this. He is like the quintessential opposite of what I imagine Kyle Reese to be like. It makes no sense to give him all the same clothes and put him in the same alley and store, etc. but have an actor that is so completely different from Michael Biehn that it destroys your suspension of disbelief. Emilia Clarke is close enough to Linda Hamilton except for the height but Jai is just so out of there, he looks like some dumb MMA fighter.
Simply amazing. The story line was laid out more than 20 years ago but they are too dumb to stick with it.
Movie starts with Kyle Reese leading a resistance, they get wiped out, so does the entire outpost. Humanity is looking bleak, Reese survives and leads the remaining army to the machine city doorstep. Not before they create a robot army because they figured out how to turn the robots to their side. Simple, cannon and enjoyable conclusion. End the series with the last terminator going through a time gate to escape and some new hero or Reese follows him through.
I really wanted a proper future war movie, more then another going back in the past to kill John Conner before he's born.
Or even have a terminator go into the past with a 1970's sports book and a list of lottery ticket winners, the terminators name is Biff. The Terminator becomes uber wealthy and with his charm and german accent rises to become the president of the United States. He then enacts a new defense bill where they decide to automate all of the nations defenses, and the Terminator comes with new and even more deadly infiltrator droids. At some point he hires Sarah Conner as his chief of Staff, then accuses her of treason and has her thrown in a super max guarded by terminators. Kyle Reese can't get to her, but she ends up having sex with a prison doctor and gives birth to a daughter that she names Jane Conner.
Whole new timeline.
Leave the original timeline alone.
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I really wanted a proper future war movie, more then another going back in the past to kill John Conner before he's born.
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They tried that with Salvation, they even tried to kill John Connor. Then they asked Christian Bale to play Marcus but Bale wasn't interested and wanted to be John Connor instead. This caused huge rewrites to the movie (since Bale was the star power) to expand the Connor role and eventually end up with him not even dying.
No matter how crappy this movie ends up being, I'll always remember that T2 was one of the greatest movies ever made. Everything about it was legendary.
I didn't like the portrayal of the future war in the last movie. They had advanced fighters and communications and submarines.
the portrayal in the first movie of dirty tired looking desperate people fighting with whatever they could steal or scrounge against a faceless remorseless enemy.
I would have liked to see a better portrayal of the extermination camps.
As a whole the future war in Salvation was incredible sterile.
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The issue with the future war movie is that I was really excited for that in 1990 but now not so much. They teased you with clips of it in T2, and at the time it would have been epic if pulled off right
Now there are so many high budget movies of a similar theme it'd be hard to carry a good terminator movie and have it stand out. Quite honestly humans fighting machines in the future is nothing original or distinct. It's the time travel aspect that makes the franchise.
T3 demonstrated that a new robot with more powers is a lame idea. Once again it was T2 being ahead of its time effects wise that have the movie the intensity it had.
The best terminator stuff since T2 has been the Sarah Connor chronicles, which really explored the time travel stuff and stuck to the formula of a machine protector you are unsure of at times.
Even the original terminator was a rewrite of the past, with Kyle Reese becoming the farther of John Connor.
Once again, I seem to be in the minority here, but grating super bowl commercial aside this looks a lot better than the last two films.
The best terminator stuff since T2 has been the Sarah Connor chronicles.
Agree 100%. What a fantastic show. I was really liking the direction it was taking and them poof, cancelled. Very sad.
Easily one of the bigger jaw dropping moments in TV when in one of the last episodes, Reese runs into the room, terminator fires a shot and dood just drops dead. That blew my mind (and his moreso I guess )
Yup, there was a reason why I bought the SCC DVD's it was a fantastic and well rounded series even though they completely changed the conventionality of the story line in a lot of ways when they made the time leap forward.
I also didn't like where they were going with the potential terminator rebel group.
I thought it was Derek Reese that took the headshot though and not Kyle.
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Yup, there was a reason why I bought the SCC DVD's it was a fantastic and well rounded series even though they completely changed the conventionality of the story line in a lot of ways when they made the time leap forward.
I also didn't like where they were going with the potential terminator rebel group.
I thought it was Derek Reese that took the headshot though and not Kyle.
Had mixed feelings about the rebel group and seemed like a bit of a battlestar Galactica ripoff.
I still think it had some potential though and you need stuff like that to carry a TV show vs a 2 hour movie.
There was likely nothing that was going to get me to watch this. Honestly though, taking the guy who this entire series has been about and turning him into the villain is at least interesting. The series was pretty stale.
Saw it tonight, thought it was ok, though there is definitely some dull moments. My biggest gripe was the casting, especially that 20 year old Sarah looked like she was 12. It got very distracting and awkward at times when interacting with Reese
Saw it tonight, thought it was ok, though there is definitely some dull moments. My biggest gripe was the casting, especially that 20 year old Sarah looked like she was 12. It got very distracting and awkward at times when interacting with Reese
I don't know. Most 20 year olds I see nowadays do look they're 12 to me.
Or maybe 12 year olds look like they're 20?
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Saw it tonight, thought it was ok, though there is definitely some dull moments. My biggest gripe was the casting, especially that 20 year old Sarah looked like she was 12. It got very distracting and awkward at times when interacting with Reese
She makes the commercials for the movie look horrible. I hate when they re-cast characters as different actors. She looks like a kid with community college acting experience.
She makes the commercials for the movie look horrible. I hate when they re-cast characters as different actors. She looks like a kid with community college acting experience.
Yeah! They should have Linda Hamilton reprise her role as the 20-year old Sarah Connor!
wait...
It's almost like she's gained 30 years since 1984...
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