[PGT] Flames lose 3-1

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Igster

You brought it up and called it a fact, so prove it.

Now it's on you to prove him wrong. See you in a month!

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Igster

It really makes the game less enjoyable when it's not done well. And I think you're right, the PBP for Flames games is kind of all over the place. I can guarantee that if last night's game was Hrudey and Ball, it at least might have been a bit more enjoyable, even though the overall game wasn't very good.

Just frustrating to listen to bad PBP.

Prove it...

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Keep this in mind when we start playing the West coast teams, fore checked to death and look like children trying to take the puck off their dads.

Being small does have something to do with it, because it will constantly effect execution.
Orpick had one shift wear he rag dolled two Flames in a row.

I believed you were talking about Josh Jooris who happens to be 6'0 180lbs who got hit by Orpik. I don't consider him small. Did you see anyone else from Washington just manhandled Byron, Hudler, Gaudreau, Raymond or Backlund last night? Nope. They played Carolina the game before and Byron was one of our best player. So saying Flames lost to Washington because they have so many small players are ridiculous. Some people only bring this up when they lose the game but when they win, everything is hunky-dorey.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

Now it's on you to prove him wrong. See you in a month!

Nope. He stated it. He needs to provide proof. He hasn't, so let's move on.

Originally Posted by Burner

Prove it...

lol...Prove what? My personal belief that I would have enjoyed the broadcast more with a different PBP team?

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Igster

Nope. He stated it. He needs to provide proof. He hasn't, so let's move on.



lol...Prove what? My personal belief that I would have enjoyed the broadcast more with a different PBP team?

Yes - you guaranteed it......

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Burner

Yes - you guaranteed it......

Enough. Let's move on. This started silly and has gotten worse.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People whining about the way Cole called the game need to get a life. Seriously, we are lucky to hear a legend like that call the game and just because it is different than the hyperbowl of many in todays era does not mean it is a bad thing. Some people will find anything to complain about.

Remember when Brooks Orpik steamrolled Josh Gorges last night? I don't, but Bob Cole does

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I believed you were talking about Josh Jooris who happens to be 6'0 180lbs who got hit by Orpik. I don't consider him small. Did you see anyone else from Washington just manhandled Byron, Hudler, Gaudreau, Raymond or Backlund last night? Nope. They played Carolina the game before and Byron was one of our best player. So saying Flames lost to Washington because they have so many small players are ridiculous. Some people only bring this up when they lose the game but when they win, everything is hunky-dorey.

Measuring yourself up to Carolina is the problem. Too many small players is a recipe for a bottom teir team.

Makes for a great Spengler cup team though

[GioforPM]

I have never liked Cole. But it isn't something I get fired up about.

As for the game, they can't all be dominating performances, or even close wins. As long as the Flames can hang with most teams, and as long as they make progress, all is good.

[Flash Walken]

Flames were outmuscled all game by a physically superior team.

I was really impressed by how the Caps looked compared to last year. They look like a real 'team'.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Measuring yourself up to Carolina is the problem. Too many small players is a recipe for a bottom teir team.

Makes for a great Spengler cup team though

I was not just talking about Carolina. If you read my previous post I mentioned that size was not a factor to everyone when the Flames won on the other 4 games vs the Oilers, Preds, Blackhawks and the Jets. We even saw some of small players like Gaudreau, Hudler and Byron excelled in some of the wins. Then suddenly they lost to Washington and it was because the team is too small. The Flames lost last night because they were out-of-sync, just skating and not connecting on their passes. Washington, on the other hand took advantage of their chances. Don't blame it on the size, we got beat by a better team that's all I can say.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I was not just talking about Carolina. If you read my previous post I mentioned that size was not a factor to everyone when the Flames won on the other 4 games vs the Oilers, Preds, Blackhawks and the Jets. We even saw some of small players like Gaudreau, Hudler and Byron excelled in some of the wins. Then suddenly they lost to Washington and it was because the team is too small. The Flames lost last night because they were out-of-sync, just skating and not connecting on their passes. Washington, on the other hand took advantage of their chances. Don't blame it on the size, we got beat by a better team that's all I can say.

Most of the time a team loses it's not size, character, leadership, corsi, effort, etc. Most of the time, it's because the other team is more talented and playing better

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Most of the time a team loses it's not size, character, leadership, corsi, effort, etc. Most of the time, it's because the other team is more talented and playing better

I totally agree.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Igster

Nope. He stated it. He needs to provide proof. He hasn't, so let's move on.

lol...Prove what? My personal belief that I would have enjoyed the broadcast more with a different PBP team?

[bubbsy]

one thing that i'm a bit unclear about with this year's flames is, what appears to be a lack off offensive know.

I realize they lost cammalleri, but it just seems like the team has very little ability in establishing them in the offensive zone and creating opportunities. Hudler, backlund, monahan, glencross have been much quieter than expected. This wasn't all that much more of a skilled group last season, but did well to create chances. Disappointed in the step back it seems they have made in this regard so far this year.

That being said, the goaltending has been great. Even the defense has been fairly good. I feel bad for Engelland on that first goal . I wasn't happy with the signing during the summer, but realized that if he can provide a solid 3rd pairing stabilizing role to the team it would be satisfactory. That giveaway, no matter how much of it was poor luck, was simply unacceptable there.

It is mind boggling that the flames are over 10% of their season thru, and are a top5 team in the NHL as far as 5 on 5 goals for/against at 1.5 (edmonton is 0.64, canes/sabres are at 0.43).

For the most part, the flames have looked average to below average in most of their games, yet the results are actually above average. I suppose that is the magic of good goaltending in this league.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

one thing that i'm a bit unclear about with this year's flames is, what appears to be a lack off offensive know.

I realize they lost cammalleri, but it just seems like the team has very little ability in establishing them in the offensive zone and creating opportunities. Hudler, backlund, monahan, glencross have been much quieter than expected. This wasn't all that much more of a skilled group last season, but did well to create chances. Disappointed in the step back it seems they have made in this regard so far this year.

That being said, the goaltending has been great. Even the defense has been fairly good. I feel bad for Engelland on that first goal . I wasn't happy with the signing during the summer, but realized that if he can provide a solid 3rd pairing stabilizing role to the team it would be satisfactory. That giveaway, no matter how much of it was poor luck, was simply unacceptable there.

It is mind boggling that the flames are over 10% of their season thru, and are a top5 team in the NHL as far as 5 on 5 goals for/against at 1.5 (edmonton is 0.64, canes/sabres are at 0.43).

For the most part, the flames have looked average to below average in most of their games, yet the results are actually above average. I suppose that is the magic of good goaltending in this league.

You first complain about Calgary's lack of offense and then say that, in 5 on 5, they are a top 5 team. That cuts against your argument.

Anyway, Calgary finsihed in 23rd in goals for per game last year (2.46). Right now they are 20th (2.5). They are better than they were and the guys who will produce (Monahan, Gaudreau, Hudler, Backland) haven't hit their stride yet.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You first complain about Calgary's lack of offense and then say that, in 5 on 5, they are a top 5 team. That cuts against your argument.

Anyway, Calgary finsihed in 23rd in goals for per game last year (2.46). Right now they are 20th (2.5). They are better than they were and the guys who will produce (Monahan, Gaudreau, Hudler, Backland) haven't hit their stride yet.

watching the games, yes, they have lack of offense, and hence, i stated the fact that they have a solid 5 on 5 goals f/a is "mindboggling"

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Flames were outmuscled all game by a physically superior team.

I was really impressed by how the Caps looked compared to last year. They look like a real 'team'.

Barry Trotz + talent is a winning combination. (Maybe not so much for the spectators)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

watching the games, yes, they have lack of offense, and hence, i stated the fact that they have a solid 5 on 5 goals f/a is "mindboggling"

They have more goals per game this year (albeit a small sample size) than last year, but that is nothing compared to what you know from "watching the games".

[bubbsy]

Can't tell if you're being facetious or not....

But yes, watching the games, i think it's pretty clear that the team doesn't generate much offensively. In their first 10 games, they have scored 1 goal in 5 of those games.

Of the 2 games they have scored more than 2 goals, 1 was against the oilers who didn't know how to play defense at the time (averaging a touchdown a game during that chunk of games) and the carolina hurricanes who have yet to win a game this season.

All i'm saying is the team looks pretty lack lustre offensively, and the talent level on the roster is only slightly less than last season (losing cammalleri, compensated by some of the incoming players). Guys like hudler, backlund, monahan, glencross have had relatively quiet years with regards to the offensive zone time and scoring.

Don't see the team generating a lot of chances and just missing those opportunities, would be fine with that. Just seems entering the zone, possessing the puck and creating plays off the cycle hasn't presented itself much so far this short season.