No Trinity graduates in this Norway wilderness company................

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GGG

I'm amazed that you would discriminate against some who goes to an institution that discriminates. Pot meet kettle.

Intolerance of intolerance does not equate to intolerance of other things. It's not hypocrisy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

Intolerance of intolerance does not equate to intolerance of other things. It's not hypocrisy.

It isn't being intolerant of intolerance though. It's being intolerant of a group of people regardless of what they believe.

I would be willing to bet at least 20% of people at trinity western are violating the agreement they signed and a good portion would support change.

[photon]

Ah ha but if they lied about their ethics just to get into university, it's more likely they'll lie about things to get a job too, or lie to their employer for their own benefit!

Not really, I just find the idea that pretending to agree with an agreement they didn't agree with to get in is somehow better than agreeing with the agreement amusing.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GGG

It isn't being intolerant of intolerance though. It's being intolerant of a group of people regardless of what they believe.

I would be willing to bet at least 20% of people at trinity western are violating the agreement they signed and a good portion would support change.

This makes no sense if you're arguing religious discrimination. Religious affiliation is defined by belief. And if it's not religious discrimination, then she doesn't have a case.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Thor

Asking for a photo on an application is common in Nordic countries, in Iceland everyone attaches photos to resumes. Its to ensure the ugly people don't get work.

Untrue. Everyone knows there are no ugly Icelanders.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by photon

Ah ha but if they lied about their ethics just to get into university, it's more likely they'll lie about things to get a job too, or lie to their employer for their own benefit!

Not really, I just find the idea that pretending to agree with an agreement they didn't agree with to get in is somehow better than agreeing with the agreement amusing.

They are not being asked to lie about their ethics. All they ask is that while they are attending the university, that they follow a certain set of ethics inspired by the core religious values of the community.

As someone else mentioned, life is full of covenant-like situations (some written, and others implied), where people need to agree to conform to certain ethical standards while they are active as part of the community (being a citizen of a country for example). Employers are probably the most common day-to-day facilitators of this concept and if I was an employer, it would probably make me more at ease knowing that a recent graduate had the discipline to follow a covenant while being educated. Most people with jobs need to exercise certain ethical standards when representing their company that they may not 100% personally agree with and do not adhere to outside of work.

The whole community covenant is here:

http://www.twu.ca/Academics/school-o...-covenant.html



Here is the agreement section (highlights are mine for emphasis):

By my agreement below I affirm that:

I have accepted the invitation to be a member of the TWU community with all the mutual benefits and responsibilities that are involved;

I understand that by becoming a member of the TWU community I have also become an ambassador of this community and the ideals it represents;

I have carefully read and considered TWU’s Community Covenant and will join in fulfilling its responsibilities while I am a member of the TWU community.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm kind of waiting to see what our own Trinity Western alum has to say on this.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They are not being asked to lie about their ethics. All they ask is that while they are attending the university, that they follow a certain set of ethics inspired by the core religious values of the community.

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this isn't like the implied contract with your employer to not get drunk and make an ass of yourself when you are at work functions in public, this is outright discrimination. If my employer asked me to sign and agree with a document like this one I would be done there. I'm surprised by how many people here would seem to have no problem agreeing to it, or no problem with people that did agree to it.

A document that promotes discrimination should be illegal, and anyone that wilfully signs such a document should be looked at differently.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by SebC

Religious affiliation is defined by belief.

No it's not

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Swarly

this isn't like the implied contract with your employer to not get drunk and make an ass of yourself when you are at work functions in public, this is outright discrimination. If my employer asked me to sign and agree with a document like this one I would be done there. I'm surprised by how many people here would seem to have no problem agreeing to it, or no problem with people that did agree to it.

A document that promotes discrimination should be illegal, and anyone that wilfully signs such a document should be looked at differently.

It's not discrimination. Everyone has the same opportunity to either agree or disagree with the covenant. It's no different than someone wanting to join the Free Masons (an organization that requires the belief in a higher power and certain ethical promises). Should they be obligated to grant admittance to anyone?

In this situation, the employer gave no opportunity to the applicant to agree or disagree with their culture. They made an unfair assumption about her ideology.

Just to add, some employment ethics agreements go beyond just drunkenness. The one I work for includes practicing environmentally sustainable activities for example.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's not discrimination. Everyone has the same opportunity to either agree or disagree with the covenant. It's no different than someone wanting to join the Free Masons (an organization that requires the belief in a higher power and certain ethical promises). Should they be obligated to grant admittance to anyone?

In this situation, the employer gave no opportunity to the applicant to agree or disagree with their culture. They made an unfair assumption about her ideology.

Just to add, some employment ethics agreements go beyond just drunkenness. The one I work for includes practicing environmentally sustainable activities for example.

and she agreed with the covenant of the school. the covenant of the school is discriminatory. therefore she agreed with the discrimination of the covenant.

any assumptions they make are fair. was just dumb on their part to tell her why, simply tossing the resume in the trash and not responding to her would have been the best route.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Yep. As annoying and unpleasant some religious proselytizers are, the loud in your face atheists are much much worse.

Quoted for truth. We had a guy at work like this, preaching atheism in the middle of the office every few mornings. It was loud and after a few months of the same thing we were all ready to jump off a bridge.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

This makes no sense if you're arguing religious discrimination. Religious affiliation is defined by belief. And if it's not religious discrimination, then she doesn't have a case.

I am arguing that chil is wrong to look at trinity grads and say he won't hire them.

That is discriminatory and wrong.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by GGG

I am arguing that chil is wrong to look at trinity grads and say he won't hire them.



That is discriminatory and wrong.

It's not actually.

Let's dig into discrimination.

Laws often prohibit discrimination on the basis of:

Race or color
Ethnicity or national origin
Sex or gender
Pregnancy
Religion or creed
Political affiliation
Language abilities
Citizenship
Disability or medical condition
Age
Sexual orientation
Gender identity
Marital status

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emplo...discrimination

Point it out if you can, but I don't believe the University they attended is listed.

In fact, everyone would likely go to the University that was cheapest or closest when choosing where to complete their degree if the pedigree of the University was irrelevant. It's certainly not as serious as in the States, but it certainly plays a role.

I'm not denying them based on their beliefs, or their religion, so please let me know how you think not valuing a degree received at a certain educational institution is discrimination. I'd honestly love to know.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

It's not actually.

Let's dig into discrimination.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emplo...discrimination

Point it out if you can, but I don't believe the University they attended is listed.

In fact, everyone would likely go to the University that was cheapest or closest when choosing where to complete their degree if the pedigree of the University was irrelevant. It's certainly not as serious as in the States, but it certainly plays a role.

I'm not denying them based on their beliefs, or their religion, so please let me know how you think not valuing a degree received at a certain educational institution is discrimination. I'd honestly love to know.

You are assuming people are anti gay because they go or went to trinity. There are gay people at trinity. You judge them all as a result of where they were educated not who they are. I didn't say this is illegal discrimination just that it is discrimination and wrong.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by GGG

You are assuming people are anti gay because they go or went to trinity. There are gay people at trinity. You judge them all as a result of where they were educated not who they are. I didn't say this is illegal discrimination just that it is discrimination and wrong.

WHERE have I assumed that??

[monkeyman]

questions regarding the companies authenticity.

http://http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/amaruk-wilderness-questions-raised-about-company-at-centre-of-anti-christian-attack-1.2794452

[photon]

Weird, I wonder what they're actually doing.

[Chill Cosby]

Fascinating twist!

[Thor]

The image of their CEO is taken form a AirBnB renter:

https://www.airbnb.com/users/show/4772706