No one is talking about Hope Solo's domestic violence case?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

And as such this case is discriminatory because in comparison to other cases Solo is getting a free pass for the same crime.

It's not the same crime... It's just not

[corporatejay]

You guys are getting way to hung up on the term domestic violence. Ray Rice is a wife beater, Adrian Peterson beats his kids and Hope Solo is a bully and who was the aggressor in a fight with her sister and 17 year old nephew.

Does that help you distinguish one from the other? The language used to describe it?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

You guys are getting way to hung up on the term domestic violence. Ray Rice is a wife beater, Adrian Peterson beats his kids and Hope Solo is a bully and who was the aggressor in a fight with her sister and 17 year old nephew.

Does that help you distinguish one from the other? The language used to describe it?

Can't agree with you more. Some people are so intent to be morally superior they can't see the forest for the trees

[Locke]

It isnt the same crime? I must profess my ignorance in the determination of domestic abuse, I dont know what the differentiation of degrees is.

What Hope Solo did was likely more of a light slap and all should be forgiven.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

It isnt the same crime? I must profess my ignorance in the determination of domestic abuse, I dont know what the differentiation of degrees is.

What Hope Solo did was likely more of a light slap and all should be forgiven.

Who said what she did isn't bad? I certainly didn't and I haven't seen anyone day that.


Are you suggesting all domestic assault should be viewed the same? If you are, would you agree that a father putting a cigarette out on his 2 year old son's face is just as bad as two brothers fighting over a girl? If not, I'm confused what your point is

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think the other thing to remember is with Rice and Peterson, we have convictions/confessions and photographic/video evidence. With Solo we have none of these things. Maybe that's why her sponsors and such are waiting it out. I think if she's convicted and it turns out what she did was pretty awful and her sponsors, team, etc., do nothing, then you can maybe claim hypocrisy.

This is spot on and why I'm confused about the outrage. The NFL players' situations are totally different. If video/text evidence came out regarding Solo I have no doubt she'd be suspended. However, is she not innocent until proven guilty? How would you feel if you were charged with a crime you didn't commit and the place you worked for fired you before you had your day in court? And then later you were acquitted? Not totally sure about the legality but I think that's grounds for a lawsuit. How would it look if they suspended Solo and she was later found innocent charges? That's a PR/legal mess they'll want to avoid I'm sure.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Who said what she did isn't bad? I certainly didn't and I haven't seen anyone day that.

Are you suggesting all domestic assault should be viewed the same? If you are, would you agree that a father putting a cigarette out on his 2 year old son's face is just as bad as two brothers fighting over a girl? If not, I'm confused what your point is

The United States Women's National Soccer Team and her sponsors, not to mention law enforcement.

The point is about equality and now people want to start introducing caveats to that equality.

And I'm not playing the strawman game, if you want to talk about hypotheticals then take a creative writing class.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

This is spot on and why I'm confused about the outrage. The NFL players' situations are totally different. If video/text evidence came out regarding Solo I have no doubt she'd be suspended. However, is she not innocent until proven guilty? How would you feel if you were charged with a crime you didn't commit and the place you worked for fired you before you had your day in court? And then later you were acquitted? Not totally sure about the legality but I think that's grounds for a lawsuit. How would it look if they suspended Solo and she was later found innocent charges? That's a PR/legal mess they'll want to avoid I'm sure.

You're right. Oscar Pistorius is a victim, hes been proven innocent. More or less.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Locke

You're right. Oscar Pistorius is a victim, hes been proven innocent. More or less.

At least that actually played out in court. Debate the results of that on it's own merit based on the information that's now available, I just think there's value in respecting the process. Though it is flawed at doesn't always get it right, I think it's better than being strung up by the angry mob.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

It isnt the same crime? I must profess my ignorance in the determination of domestic abuse, I dont know what the differentiation of degrees is.

If there weren't degrees, all metred sentences would be the same. Your feigned ignorance belies the fact everybody know this.

What Hope Solo did was likely more of a light slap and all should be forgiven.

Strawman. You started this strawman game, not me

Originally Posted by Locke

The United States Women's National Soccer Team and her sponsors, not to mention law enforcement.

They said it wasn't bad enough. There's a difference, and a big one.

The point is about equality and now people want to start introducing caveats to that equality.

You certainly have a point here, but this story isn't the one to make it in IMO. Spousal abuse by either partner is not treated the same and that is wrong. I fully agree with you here

And I'm not playing the strawman game, if you want to talk about hypotheticals then take a creative writing class.

Ok, I'll remove the hypotheticals and ask the question with less colour. Are horrible acts of domestic assault as punishable as less odorous ones? If you believe they are all equally punishable, I don't think anyone would agree with you.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Locke

The United States Women's National Soccer Team and her sponsors, not to mention law enforcement.

The point is about equality and now people want to start introducing caveats to that equality.

And I'm not playing the strawman game, if you want to talk about hypotheticals then take a creative writing class.

It's not a caveat to argue that severity and context are a mitigating factors, nor is it to say that she should be allowed her due process. One of the issues that's bothered me about the NFL in the past and present is that their "discipline" structure often ignores due process. No one is excusing her behaviour "because she's a woman." Like I said, if you want to then by all means set your moral compass to the letter of the law, I just think it's an overly simplistic view on things.

I think this writer brings up some valid points.

http://screamer.deadspin.com/what-we...-ho-1637573199

We must be nearing the last act in the "NFL and domestic violence" story cycle: media pundits are now calling for Hope Solo to be pilloried. Fans of the USWNT will know well that Solo is facing assault charges. That story is not new. Washington Post editors might want to claim that this is "the domestic violence case that no one is talking about," but that claim only works if we ignore the Seattle Times, which, for example, has covered the story consistently, and responsibly, through their Seattle Sounders FC blog (Solo plays for Seattle Reign). The fact is that the national news media basically doesn't give a #### about women's sports stories unless they can be made into stories about men. Unless Solo's case, in other words, can appear as a footnote to the Ray Rice story and (worse) absorbed into some broad popular sense that women, in general, are somehow getting away with something.

For the media pundit, all of these cases are all the same. This is, in fact, how sexist and racist ideologies work—the media discourse will move towards a "there are two sides of the story" structure. Given that there is no way to produce a story of Janay Palmer as the aggressor from the image of her knocked unconscious, we must find some other woman—a woman who is violent, just like men are violent. And thus the turn to Hope Solo, who faces fourth degree assault charges stemming from a (by all available accounts on both sides) chaotic, drunken, violent confrontation with her half-sister and 17-year old nephew. Solo's case is still pending: it was a brawl—and it's unclear how it got started. The situation was bad enough, however, to merit the charges advancing through the system. Her teams are standing by her. Seattle Reign have been clear that they'll take appropriate disciplinary action pending the outcome of the court case.

[rubecube]

Also, if we want to play the "they're the same crimes by the letter of the law" angle, that's also not accurate. Solo was indicted on fourth-degree domestic assault charges, Rice was indicted on third-degree aggravated assault, and Peterson was indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. As the author in the article I posted above points out, the Solo case is not equivalent to the Rice case, and the Rice case is not equivalent to the Peterson case.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If there weren't degrees, all metred sentences would be the same. Your feigned ignorance belies the fact everybody know this.

Strawman. You started this strawman game, not me

Sorry about that, that wasnt meant to be a strawman that was straight unadulterated sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They said it wasn't bad enough. There's a difference, and a big one.

The issue is that its being treated as though it wasnt bad at all.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You certainly have a point here, but this story isn't the one to make it in IMO. Spousal abuse by either partner is not treated the same and that is wrong. I fully agree with you here.

Ok, I'll remove the hypotheticals and ask the question with less colour. Are horrible acts of domestic assault as punishable as less odorous ones? If you believe they are all equally punishable, I don't think anyone would agree with you.

I'm going to go ahead and apologize right now, I was being extreme with the purpose of making a point, I didnt mean to implicate or target anyone, least of all you.

That being said, degrees of punishment are important, but is this where we want to draw that line?

Someone only beat the crap out of their spouse a little bit? Just slightly? I guess the punishment should be small then. A fine?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

You guys are getting way to hung up on the term domestic violence. Ray Rice is a wife beater, Adrian Peterson beats his kids and Hope Solo is a bully and who was the aggressor in a fight with her sister and 17 year old nephew.

Does that help you distinguish one from the other? The language used to describe it?

The problem I see is people in a heated moment using violence against other people as an attempt to solve disputes or vent out their anger. I don't think we should really be trying so hard to distinguish between them. If we really want to solve the broader issues, we should condemn using violence period and not bend over backwards to determine which incident is more heinous in the purview of broader society or which victim is more 'wronged' based on which demographic the victim happens to be a part of.

Violence is the wrong way to settle disputes or to serve as an outlet for anger and it doesn't bloody matter whether the person engaging in violent acts is a 230 lbs running back, a 100 lbs woman, or a competitive female athlete, the underlying behavior is all wrong.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Now, former USWNT teammate Jillian Loyden—who also announced her retirement from the team Monday—has publicly declared that the USWNT should bench Solo while she awaits trial in a piece for USA Today entitled "Bench Hope Solo."

Here is an excerpt from Loyden's article:

"U.S. Soccer must be the gold standard beyond the field as well. I believe that individuals are innocent until proven guilty, but in failing to take action against players' behavior off the field, the league is not living up to its responsibilities.

U.S. Soccer needs to send the right message. They need to communicate that domestic violence is never okay and that it will not be tolerated.

Speaking out on these issues is not always easy. Hope Solo is my teammate and a personal mentor. But I cannot stand by as young fans receive the message that this behavior—even if the allegations proved to be inaccurate—can go unnoticed.

A couple weeks ago, Hope broke an international record with an incredible 73 shutouts. But instead of celebrating the new record, the league should endeavor to post a shutout on domestic violence. Our league can no longer turn a blind eye to the allegations that Solo assaulted two family members."

Loyden's sister Britton was murdered in 2012, allegedly by her former fiance who is awaiting trial, per her column.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...rial&hpt=hp_c3

[rubecube]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think they should've benched her until the legal process sorted itself out.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...rial&hpt=hp_c3

Am I the only one who thinks the woman making this statement is bit of a hypocrite?

"Now that I have no vested interest in the play of Hope Solo, I belive she should be benched."

While I agree that the way this has been handled, specifically US Soccer basicaly saying "Yeah, she's been charged with a crime, but she is about to break a really important record, so we're gonna let it slide", I still think the timing of this particular statement is a little suspect.

[killer_carlson]

I think she would have been less credible had she not retired, as she would have been Solo's replacement, if I read that correctly.

[Mango]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think she would have been less credible had she not retired, as she would have been Solo's replacement, if I read that correctly.

That's a bit of a stretch (on their part, not yours). Prior to hanging them up, Loyden was fourth or even fifth on American depth chart behind the likes of Harris, Naeher and Barnhart.

The US team is about to begin their World Cup qualification tournament. It'll be interesting to see how Solo responds.

[rubecube]

Case dismissed, but the prosecution is planning to appeal.

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commen...harges-dropped

Also:

In court documents, Solo said she was defending herself against her nephew, who is 6-foot-9 and weighs 280 pounds. She claims she was hit over the head with a broom handle.

If this is true, then it's pretty clear that it's nothing like the Peterson and Rice cases.