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Split98 · 09-16-2014, 01:24 PM

heep223 · 09-16-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

I'd be shocked if anyone on the Flames is focused at all on this incident after today.

The players in the flames organization won't just forget about it when they see Corrado on the ice. It's not a grudge nor is anyone planning intentional retribution per se, but it will be in their minds.

Have you played competitive hockey before? We used to remember dirty hits / plays and who committed them from other teams, especially on our star players. We would look for opportunities to chirp them and hit them. Not sure why it would be different at this level. Obviously I'm not sure but I'd guess an elbow of that nature on a highly touted, small skill guy who is just getting into the league will be remembered. Particularly after the comments he made which basically is saying that he was intentionally targeting JG.

I would think most of the Flames players will have seen it by now. Gio even said he watched the game.

Time will tell I guess. Y'know just thinking that may be a good question to text into the Fan 960 for Rhett to talk about.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 09-16-2014, 01:33 PM

The Flames have star players now not named Gio?

foshizzle11 · 09-16-2014, 02:09 PM

Is there any merit to what Corrado said about the Flames going after Hunter on the previous shift? Did that happen or is it something he made up?

I watched the game and I don't remember this happening. Hitting someone hard with a clean hit isn't going after a skilled guy IMO.

Maybe I am missing something.

DoubleF · 09-16-2014, 02:11 PM

In a weird way, I'm sort of glad this happened to JG this way. Sooner or later, someone was going to target him.

Do I want JG to get hurt? No. But I'm glad he was run over by a bike with a flat tire like Corrado and not a battlecruiser like Lucic or a full hit from some random steam engine 250lb 3rd liner on another team.

That being said, seeing Corrado being left to dry by his team would probably be sweeter than us randomly pummeling their players at the next game. But I'm not opposed to a nice physical game either as long as we don't start losing roster players to injury and vice versa.

AC · 09-16-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by foshizzle11

Is there any merit to what Corrado said about the Flames going after Hunter on the previous shift? Did that happen or is it something he made up?

I watched the game and I don't remember this happening. Hitting someone hard with a clean hit isn't going after a skilled guy IMO.

Maybe I am missing something.

Shinkaruk and Kanzig were yapping at each other after a whistle, that's it.

combustiblefuel · 09-16-2014, 02:17 PM

I remember last year when an Ottawa player took liberties on a kid. Who was it again ? I can't remberer who bit at any rate Stajan and Big Ern went after him.

Rick M. · 09-16-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleF

In a weird way, I'm sort of glad this happened to JG this way. Sooner or later, someone was going to target him.

Do I want JG to get hurt? No. But I'm glad he was run over by a bike with a flat tire like Corrado and not a battlecruiser like Lucic or a full hit from some random steam engine 250lb 3rd liner on another team.

That being said, seeing Corrado being left to dry by his team would probably be sweeter than us randomly pummeling their players at the next game. But I'm not opposed to a nice physical game either as long as we don't start losing roster players to injury and vice versa.

I'm more concerned about hits from behind at the point where there's a stoppage in the play. We saw some of that in the World Championship. Johnny took his foot off the gas and got creamed from behind.

DoubleF · 09-16-2014, 02:37 PM

That's true too.

Either way, I expect JG to be good and healthy. Don't want to see any of the young'uns injured.

Oil Stain · 09-16-2014, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stemit14

Let it go? No way... Guys like gaudreau, Bennett, and Monahan are the future of this team and guys taking liberties like that in a prospects exhibition game is unacceptable. That's why the flames are loaded up with muscle now... To keep players honest. What's the point in having the nuclear deterrent if you prove you're not willing to use it?

There basically isn't much point in nuclear deterrents, because it's never been proven to work.

The Flames had Smith, Kanzig and Ferland in the game and Gaudreau still received a cheap shot.

The Matt Cookes of the hockey world have never been deterred by enforcers and they never will be.

I don't mind having an enforcer or two per team as fights are pretty fun to watch, but its pretty hard to prove they prevent injuries of any kind.

I'd argue having goons in the game probably increases injuries because the only way they can have an impact is to run around trying to kill the skilled players with big hits.

Weitz · 09-16-2014, 03:13 PM

^^ I would agree. If someone is going to run one of the smaller players. I would be surprised if McGratten or any other 'Enforcer' sitting on the bench isn't going to change their mind.

Textcritic · 09-16-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

^^ I would agree. If someone is going to run one of the smaller players. I would be surprised if McGratten or any other 'Enforcer' sitting on the bench isn't going to change their mind.

Well, the point Oil Stain is making is that small players and skilled players still get run when "enforcers" are sitting on the bench and are on the ice. So no, it doesn't seem to have the effect that you think it would.

Weitz · 09-16-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, the point Oil Stain is making is that small players and skilled players still get run when "enforcers" are sitting on the bench and are on the ice. So no, it doesn't seem to have the effect that you think it would.

I was trying to agree, but my english is poor. My apologies!

Gaskal · 09-16-2014, 05:45 PM

I don't think it was mere coincidence that after McGrats had a few words with the Canucks before Johnny's first NHL game, the most that happened to him was a small bump that simply knocked him off balance and merited an interference call.

Street Pharmacist · 09-16-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

I don't think it was mere coincidence that after McGrats had a few words with the Canucks before Johnny's first NHL game, the most that happened to him was a small bump that simply knocked him off balance and merited an interference call.

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Gaskal · 09-16-2014, 06:02 PM

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Well obviously you think I'm stupid for saying that, so let's hear it.

stemit14 · 09-16-2014, 06:14 PM

My theory... And it's just a theory cause there's no precedent for it in the NHL yet I believe... Is that the deterrent doesn't work properly especially these days cause the goons aren't properly used. This season especially the flames have the breathing room in expectations to absolutely blow up games with brawls and physicality if guys take liberties with the kids.

Win or lose a game... I would fully support and cheer on a flames team that brought back the bench-clearing brawl to the NHL. Suspensions and fines be damned. If the Matt cookes and Alex burrows of the league were jumped by a Bollig or mcgrattan for trying to take a bite out if gaudreau... They would think twice about it next time

Street Pharmacist · 09-16-2014, 06:16 PM

I don't think you're stupid. I wasn't sure if you were speaking in hyperbole or serious. I don't think they had anything to do with each other but we'll never know. Seems to be it was a game that meant nothing to either team, so I'm not sure why someone would've gone after Gaudreau.

Street Pharmacist · 09-16-2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stemit14

My theory... And it's just a theory cause there's no precedent for it in the NHL yet I believe... Is that the deterrent doesn't work properly especially these days cause the goons aren't properly used. This season especially the flames have the breathing room in expectations to absolutely blow up games with brawls and physicality if guys take liberties with the kids.

Win or lose a game... I would fully support and cheer on a flames team that brought back the bench-clearing brawl to the NHL. Suspensions and fines be damned. If the Matt cookes and Alex burrows of the league were jumped by a Bollig or mcgrattan for trying to take a bite out if gaudreau... They would think twice about it next time

There seems to be less dirty hits now than before. Obviously we are much more sensitive to them so it may seem like more, but I don't see the decrease in goons has had any effect. There use to be elbows, knees, etc galore when there were more goons.

Gaskal · 09-16-2014, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I don't think you're stupid. I wasn't sure if you were speaking in hyperbole or serious. I don't think they had anything to do with each other but we'll never know. Seems to be it was a game that meant nothing to either team, so I'm not sure why someone would've gone after Gaudreau.

I'm completely serious - I do believe Big Ern having a few words prior to puck drop made a huge difference. No Canucks even tried to play Gaudreau physically that game (outside of that first interference call), let alone go after him with bad intentions.