Massive load of celeb pictures leaked

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I see both sides but a person just has to be responsible.

This is why you guys still haven't seen Jessica Alba naked.

She actually did have a leaked pic a couple years ago.

[photon]

Originally Posted by GGG

In this case there is a fool proof way not to have your pictures exposed and that is not to take them in the first place. So if the end result of pictures being put online is unacceptable to you then don't take the pictures.

Well sure but we also know how effective abstinence only education is. Can also say the only fool proof way to not have your car stolen is to not have a car in the first place.

People should be able to have their sexy times however they like, not be restricted just because they happen to appear in movies.

A better understanding of degrees of security and vulnerability would be nice though, but I can appreciate how the design of the apps makes that difficult to impossible without some technical knowledge.

And totally agree about society's response.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I see both sides but a person just has to be responsible.

This is why you guys still haven't seen Jessica Alba naked.

Anybody you think the internet hasn't seen naked, the internet has probably seen naked.

[photon]

Kind of an aside, victim blaming is a studied psychological phenomenon, the more innocent a victim appears, or the more unjust the action against the victim, the more likely someone is to detract from the victim in some way. Studies of rape, poverty, car accidents, or even illness show this phenomenon where people find reasons to blame the victim for what happened.

We avoid feeling vulnerable, and a world where the innocent can suffer, where bad things happen to good people, makes us feel vulnerable (since it can happen to them it can happen to me). So we choose to believe that the universe is just (what goes around comes around, you reap what you sow, or that bad people get eternal punishment), and therefore the victim must have deserved it, and then find a reason to rationalize it.

[Gundo]

And this just helps remind me that 4Chan is the scariest/worst place on the internet.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Notwithstanding my comment above, using a private, albeit online, storage service is not remotely close to flashing money around. Your analogy is completely invalid. A more accurate analogy would be to compare using a cloud service to keeping a large stack of cash out of sight in your home. In both cases, someone has to break in to (a) confirm it exists and (b) steal it.

In short, your attempt at rationalizing your argument is most certainly victim blaming.

Its obviously not private now is it, you can't say just say it's victim blaming. Its becoming one of the most clichéd and tired arguments around. Such a quick spineless defense, your analogy is way worse. Taking pictures on phones have been proven to be unsafe and easy to hack, use more logic and less knee jerk reactions.

[bcsoda]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Its obviously not private now is it, you can't say just say it's victim blaming. Its becoming one of the most clichéd and tired arguments around. Such a quick spineless defense, your analogy is way worse. Taking pictures on phones have been proven to be unsafe and easy to hack, use more logic and less knee jerk reactions.

"Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially responsible for the harm that befell them."

That isn't a "spineless defense", that is exactly what is happening in half the posts on this thread.

The fact of the matter is that this is a form of sexual assault (yes, it is, no I'm not over exaggerating http://www.sexualassaultsupport.ca/page-464558 "dissemination of sexual photographs electronically (cyber harassment)"), and anyone who is looking at the images (no matter what your reason is for doing so) is complicit in it.

It doesn't matter how easy or not it is to hack phones, or whether or not you personally believe people should be taking naked photos of themselves - these women have been sexually assaulted and blaming them in any way is an inappropriate response.

[GP_Matt]

The scary thing to me is how many accounts they must have hacked to find these photos. Presumably they only released the provocative photos of the celebrities whose accounts they got into. I don't know how many celebrities keep nude photos on iCloud but I bet they hacked a ton of accounts and went through all their personal files before moving on.
If they can do this to celebrities I am sure they can do it to a huge chunk of the population.

I do hope they find them and hold them responsible. At the same time I wonder if the victims can go after Apple for such sloppy security.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by GGG

NOPE, IN THE CASE OF RAPE WEARING PROMISCUIOUS CLOTHING HAS LITTLE IF ANY CORRELATION WITH BEING RAPED. IT IS NOT GOOD ADVICE TO SAY DONT DRESS PROVOCATIVELY TO PREVENT RAPE. GO SEE ANY OF THE RAPE THREADS TO LINKS TO STUDY's. WALKING ALONE HAS LITTLE CORRELATION TO BEING RAPED AS MOST RAPES ARE DONE BY PEOPLE KNOWN TO THE VICTIM



Hence that is victim blaming.



In this case there is a fool proof way not to have your pictures exposed and that is not to take them in the first place. So if the end result of pictures being put online is unacceptable to you then don't take the pictures.



One thing getting lost in this discussion is that the most important result of this is that none of these women should have this event affect their careers. The real problem in society is that this is a big deal that could harm careers or the perception of these women. Its the slut shaming aspect of this that is a problem not people saying well if you didn't want them to get out you shouldn't have taken them.



This whole situation is akin to the US government being surprised when information of their spy programs gets leaked. It was going to happen. Nothing is secret once it is in a computer.

As bcsoda said above, you're essentially saying the sexual assault was inevitable and they should have known that. THAT is victim blaming.

Take the content and the sexual assault aspect of it out, and you've got an invasion of privacy. The person got into their computer and took their pictures. That's wrong on every level. It's not the fault of the victim for having a computer, or uploading vacation pictures onto their computer is it? That'd be kind of crazy. But because their naked in the pictures instead of them being "boring" pictures, uh oh, suddenly it's their fault for having naked pictures of themselves.

These people are victims of a crime. Does the crime happen? Yeah. Does that make them responsible for being victims of the crime? No.

Even if you believe it to be true, it's a scummy thing to say isn't it? When someone gets raped, you shouldn't say "Well you were pretty much allowing it to happen," when someone gets cancer you shouldn't say, "Well you should've ate a little better," and when someone gets hit by a drunk driver you shouldn't say, "Well, you shouldn't have been driving that late." It's about supporting people and being a good human being, even if you don't know them or don't like them. Would you really be comfortable saying those things to anyone's face?

We take calculated risks every day. Each one of us. That's life, and that's what living is about. Whether you know it or not, you are taking constant risks every single day that could lead you be a victim of a crime, illness, death, or whatever. People may not always be able to say they didn't do everything they could to avoid falling victim to something, but that doesn't mean it's their fault, and it certainly doesn't give anyone the right to tell them how they should've lived or that they don't have a right to be shocked or upset when they become a victim.

I do agree that this shouldn't have any impact on their careers, and it likely won't because American society is (slowly) moving away from slut-shaming. Blaming them for being victims of a privacy invasion isn't much better than slut-shaming though.

[Regulator75]

Mulder and Scully are now involved...

The celebrity nude photo leak scandal has reached a boiling point ... and now the FBI is getting involved.

In a statement released Monday afternoon, a spokesperson for the FBI said, "The FBI is aware of the allegations concerning computer intrusions and the unlawful release of material involving high profile individuals, and is addressing the matter. Any further comment would be inappropriate at this time."

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

As bcsoda said above, you're essentially saying the sexual assault was inevitable and they should have known that. THAT is victim blaming.

Take the content and the sexual assault aspect of it out, and you've got an invasion of privacy. The person got into their computer and took their pictures. That's wrong on every level. It's not the fault of the victim for having a computer, or uploading vacation pictures onto their computer is it? That'd be kind of crazy. But because their naked in the pictures instead of them being "boring" pictures, uh oh, suddenly it's their fault for having naked pictures of themselves.

These people are victims of a crime. Does the crime happen? Yeah. Does that make them responsible for being victims of the crime? No.

Even if you believe it to be true, it's a scummy thing to say isn't it? When someone gets raped, you shouldn't say "Well you were pretty much allowing it to happen," when someone gets cancer you shouldn't say, "Well you should've ate a little better," and when someone gets hit by a drunk driver you shouldn't say, "Well, you shouldn't have been driving that late." It's about supporting people and being a good human being, even if you don't know them or don't like them. Would you really be comfortable saying those things to anyone's face?

We take calculated risks every day. Each one of us. That's life, and that's what living is about. Whether you know it or not, you are taking constant risks every single day that could lead you be a victim of a crime, illness, death, or whatever. People may not always be able to say they didn't do everything they could to avoid falling victim to something, but that doesn't mean it's their fault, and it certainly doesn't give anyone the right to tell them how they should've lived or that they don't have a right to be shocked or upset when they become a victim.

I do agree that this shouldn't have any impact on their careers, and it likely won't because American society is (slowly) moving away from slut-shaming. Blaming them for being victims of a privacy invasion isn't much better than slut-shaming though.

To you first point I would argue that if you are famous and you take a naked picture of yourself it will get out. This to me is a statement that passes no judgement it just is generally true.

If I upload family vacation pics to whatever site and they get stolen its likely my fault. I am responsible for securing my privacy.

I might just lack empathy but regardless of the situation when something bad happens my first thought is that really sucks for you. My second thought is why didnt you do this or this to prevent it and how would I prevent it from happening to myself. I think photons comment about wanting to be able to exert control over our existance is part of it. Heck half the reason I wear a life jacket is so that if I drown I am not blamed for being an idiot.

I see these types of situations as learning opportunities for everyone. So I quickly get by the that sucks it happened to you empathy stage and move quickly to the root cause analysis. I think the lesson here to be learned by everyone with a dick pic of themselves on their phone is that its not safe and will eventually get out. Not that it would be that sought after, And if your not comfortable with that risk delete it everywhere.

I do agree that we shouldnt tell anyone how they should have lived their lives or judge them negatively because of it.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by GGG

To you first point I would argue that if you are famous and you take a naked picture of yourself it will get out. This to me is a statement that passes no judgement it just is generally true.

If I upload family vacation pics to whatever site and they get stolen its likely my fault. I am responsible for securing my privacy.

I might just lack empathy but regardless of the situation when something bad happens my first thought is that really sucks for you. My second thought is why didnt you do this or this to prevent it and how would I prevent it from happening to myself. I think photons comment about wanting to be able to exert control over our existance is part of it. Heck half the reason I wear a life jacket is so that if I drown I am not blamed for being an idiot.

I see these types of situations as learning opportunities for everyone. So I quickly get by the that sucks it happened to you empathy stage and move quickly to the root cause analysis. I think the lesson here to be learned by everyone with a dick pic of themselves on their phone is that its not safe and will eventually get out. Not that it would be that sought after, And if your not comfortable with that risk delete it everywhere.

I do agree that we shouldnt tell anyone how they should have lived their lives or judge them negatively because of it.

I do see what you're saying. I think we can't really know if being famous and having naked pictures of yourself means they'll get out. Some definitely have been, some even on purpose (the whole calculated sex-tape thing), but I don't think we can make any judgement just based on the fact that we don't know (nor should we) how many naked (private) pictures of people are out there. I also think it's super important to remember that these photos weren't uploaded to any site or sent to anyone. It was on their computer. I agree if you upload a photo to a site, or to Facebook or something, you know it's "out there", but I doubt very much 90% of people know that their stuff could be accessed just by sitting on your computer.

I think the way you process things is totally fair, but there is a right time and a wrong time to share certain thoughts. Your first reaction should never be "This person could've avoided this." If that IS your first impression, maybe it's best saved? Again, if it's not something you'd say directly to a person right off the bat, why say it on the Internet? After all, it IS "out there"

[GoJetsGo]

Right or wrong, these celebrities make their living (and a very comfortable one at that) being the object of mass intrigue.

Most people could take all the nude photos of themselves they wanted and unknowingly back them up via unsecured storage means and it wouldn't matter. But the people in question effected by this event had to know when they were clicking the photo button those images would be highly sought after, and detrimental if they ever got out.

Sucks that their privacy was invaded, but it's not surprising in the least.

[chalms04]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Mulder and Scully are now involved...

Conducting my own investigation tonight.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

I also think it's super important to remember that these photos weren't uploaded to any site or sent to anyone. It was on their computer. I agree if you upload a photo to a site, or to Facebook or something, you know it's "out there", but I doubt very much 90% of people know that their stuff could be accessed just by sitting on your computer.

For accuracy, by all accounts, the pictures weren't taken off any personal computers. They were taken from Apple's iCloud servers.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Its obviously not private now is it, you can't say just say it's victim blaming. Its becoming one of the most clichéd and tired arguments around. Such a quick spineless defense, your analogy is way worse. Taking pictures on phones have been proven to be unsafe and easy to hack, use more logic and less knee jerk reactions.

Breaking into houses and stealing stuff has been proven to be easily accomplished, even with security systems. Therefore you have only yourself to blame if someone robs you.

And yes, cloud storage is private. The fact that someone could break into it does not make it unprivate any more than the fact that someone could break into your home makes it unprivate.

So please, stop talking, start thinking, and follow your own advice to use more logic and less knee-jerk reactions.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by GGG

To you first point I would argue that if you are famous and you take a naked picture of yourself it will get out. This to me is a statement that passes no judgement it just is generally true.

You have no way to back that statement up. Maybe most of the celebrity nudes make it to the public and maybe most of them do not. Hard to assume that all the stolen and leaked images of nude celebrities are all the pictures taken of nude celebrities. It's obviously popular for people to take naked pictures of themselves, celebrity or not.

[Northendzone]

all i can say is wow, that kate upton sure has some crazy curves........

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Breaking into houses and stealing stuff has been proven to be easily accomplished, even with security systems. Therefore you have only yourself to blame if someone robs you.

That's a straw man argument.

No one is saying any of the the celebrities only have themselves to blame. However, if there's an easy step to take that can prevent this from happening 100% of the time - i.e. not taking nude photos with your cell phone - you'd be negligent not to do so, particularly if you know you'd be a highly coveted target for theft and disclosure.

Robbing a jewelery store is morally wrong, but jewelery stores don't rely on moral arguments and public condemnation to prevent theft, they install security.

As I said earlier, I have a 20 yr old niece, and you can bet I'd point to this and say, "If you don't want this type of violation, don't be stupid enough to take nude photos with your cell phone" rather than saying "Go ahead and do whatever feels good, and shame on anyone who takes advantage."

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

all i can say is wow, that kate upton sure has some crazy curves........

That is actually kind of worrisome. Her weight is obviously doing some serious yo-yoing.