Gay Teen's family has aggressive & violent reaction, to his coming out

[jayswin]

Erick Estrada being Erick Estrada.

[smoothpops]

I understand the parents are probably Christians not Catholics, but if the Pope can have a Master's degree in Chemistry, how can the Church of 2014 be at such odds with Science?

"In 2007, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI called the supposed conflict between evolution and faith “absurd.” The dominant message from the Vatican has been that science and faith are complementary."

http://www.ibtimes.com/pope-francis-...cience-1131595

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I video was way too shaky to see what was going on but it appears the kid was definitely shoved or smacked. Of course that is not condonable but all I'm saying is that it had the feeling of being staged by the guy. This guy could be a total lowlife for all we know but he's managed to put up a sympathetic video and receive a lot of $$$ in donations from strangers. IMO there is a little bit of exploitation of trailer park trash for financial gain going on.

Holy smokes, take off your tinfoil hat.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by smoothpops

I understand the parents are probably Christians not Catholics, but if the Pope can have a Master's degree in Chemistry, how can the Church of 2014 be at such odds with Science?

"In 2007, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI called the supposed conflict between evolution and faith “absurd.” The dominant message from the Vatican has been that science and faith are complementary."

http://www.ibtimes.com/pope-francis-...cience-1131595

All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics.

[Viking Whale]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics.

not even close

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Erick Estrada being Erick Estrada.

Nope just me testing the water temperature before jumping in. The family looks like your typical southern US religious trailer trash but I don't know that kid at all. None of you do and based on a video (mostly audio as the video can not be made out for the most part) he made as you are all assuming. He could be a drug dealer for all I know so why I feel sorry for his predicament he's a man and not a kid and doesn't need to be living with his parents in the first place. If you guys want to donate to a complete stranger good for you but I hope you don't feel special for doing it as there's far more deserving people in this continent of the charity.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Viking Whale

not even close

go on

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nope just me testing the water temperature before jumping in. The family looks like your typical southern US religious trailer trash but I don't know that kid at all. He could be a drug dealer for all I know so why I feel sorry for his predicament he's a man and not a kid and doesn't need to be living with his parents in the first place. If you guys want to donate to a complete stranger good for you but I hope you don't feel special for doing it as there's far more deserving people in this continent of the charity.

I bet you do.........

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by fotze

I';m not sure EE is victim blaming as much as skeptical such as that story where the disfigured girl being kicked out of KFC hoax a while back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...-kfc-was-hoax/

I think EE would be better served saying something along the lines of 'if this is how it went down POS parents, hope this isn't one of those viral stories that turn out to be a hoax'.

or maybe I'm giving EE the benefit of the doubt too much.

Nope you are correct. I'm not victim blaming and simply a skeptic. Stranger puts out sympathetic video on internet. Stranger reaps in thousands of $$$ in online donation that he set up for himself. Sorry I don't know enough about the man or is situation to come to a verdict that I can believe his intentions were genuine.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I disagree.


This is not 1910 backwoods Mississippi.

This is 2014, they have these views because they want to have these views.

Alberta only ratified Canada's same Sex marriage laws in 2005. In 2000, the province used the non-withstanding clause to change legislation so that 'marriage' only reflected heterosexual couples.

Alberta's official opposition party voted unanimously this year to not support gay/straight alliances in Alberta public schools.

Let's not anoint ourselves, just yet.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Viking Whale

not even close

While that statement is an oversimplification of the differences, it is a true statement. All Catholics are Christians. Catholicism is a sect of Christianity. You can't be Catholic, and not Christian. But Christianity does have other groups that are not Catholic.

If you've got evidence to prove us wrong, I'd love to see it. I have had met people argue your side before, generally in fringe Christian groups that have about as good an understanding about their religion as radicals do about Islam. Now, that could be completely unfair, but that's been my experience when someone gives an answer like that. Especially when not backing it up. I guess, when I hear a statement like that, it's always been a hop, skip, and jump away from, 'well, ours is the REAL Christianity'.

Ultimately, Christians just believe in Jesus and that he was the son of god. After that, there is a lot of different interpretations of a lot of other things. Some big, and some small. But Catholics do believe Jesus Christ was the son of god, ergo, they are as Christian as any other group.

All UCB was saying was a comparison as vague but as true as 'all women are humans, but not all humans are women'. Again true, but not the best example or point as it's quite vague. Still, for you to reply, 'not even close', cannot be correct in any manner that I can see.

Now I'm sure I've oversimplified something here, and Textcritic is going to come in and give me a gentle tongue lashing, but I'll listen to him, as he knows what he's talking about.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by smoothpops

I understand the parents are probably Christians not Catholics, but if the Pope can have a Master's degree in Chemistry, how can the Church of 2014 be at such odds with Science?

"In 2007, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI called the supposed conflict between evolution and faith “absurd.” The dominant message from the Vatican has been that science and faith are complementary."

http://www.ibtimes.com/pope-francis-...cience-1131595

Jihadified protestantism.

It goes back to the original colonies.

JFK's election was notable because he was the first Catholic president in US history, and it was an uphill struggle to get him there.

America has a history of intolerance towards catholics, be they german, irish, italian or mexican.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Alberta only ratified Canada's same Sex marriage laws in 2005. In 2000, the province used the non-withstanding clause to change legislation so that 'marriage' only reflected heterosexual couples.

Alberta's official opposition party voted unanimously this year to not support gay/straight alliances in Alberta public schools.

Let's not anoint ourselves, just yet.

Maybe you didn't read this post by me:

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Oh, I understand them. I had very similair views at one time....so I understand them just fine. Perhaps that is why I am so unwilling to excuse their views.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Maybe you didn't read this post by me:

I hadn't actually.

Just sayin', ignorance loves company. Some veils are more difficult to penetrate than others.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I hadn't actually.

Just sayin', ignorance loves company. Some veils are more difficult to penetrate than others.

you chatting to the choir here.....

[Daradon]

Isn't it preaching to the choir?

Chatting, heh... Well some of those choir girls can be quite hot.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Isn't it preaching to the choir?

Chatting, heh... Well some of those choir girls can be quite hot.

I ain't much for religion.

[nik-]

choirs are renowned gay-haters

[Viking Whale]

Sorry for my hasty reply. The Bible is the foundation of the Christian faith, not the catholic church, not Constantine, not the papacy. If you compare what the Catholic church teaches and what the Bible teaches, you will find many serious contradictions. I could give you a long list of them but I'll stick with the most important one. The Catholic church teaches that it is a person's good works that earn them their way into heaven. This is the definition of religion and what sets the Christian faith apart from religion. The Bible teaches that there is nothing a person can do to earn their way to heaven on their own, it is only through repentance and faith in Jesus that one can get right with God and make it to heaven.

I understand that to someone who isn't a part of either faith this may seem like splitting hairs over doctrine, but salvation is what makes someone a Christian. So when the Bible teaches that there is only one way to attain salvation and the Catholic church teaches the complete opposite, hopefully you can see how Catholic and Christian can not be the same thing.

[corporatejay]

What if he's not actually gay and this entire thing was a way for him to extract money money from the public.. Just seems suspicious to me.

Also, maybe it's possibly he's just been pretending to be gay, dating men and such, and isn't really gay himself.

I mean just seems a little convenient that he had a camera with him, don't you think?