08-23-2014, 02:15 PM
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So we now have pretty much a full vet roster aside from Monahan. I still believe they'll have no problem sitting a player or two for emerging prospects. Aside from that with injuries throughout the season there is no doubt some of the kids will get some good ice time. I'm not concerned.
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08-23-2014, 02:16 PM
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#62
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by AC
No Bouma?
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I only listed 12 forwards, there are still a couple spots left.
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08-23-2014, 02:17 PM
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#63
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Originally Posted by Zevo
Probably more accurate to say ZERO rookies being handed a spot out of training camp. That's a good thing, no?
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It doesnt matter if the young guy outplays a vet. The guy with the 1 way contract is gonna get the start. What if 4-5 young guys outplay the vets at camp? Are we gonna trade a quarter of the team to make room? Not a chance, the young guys will just be sent back down to the AHL so the Setaguchis and Jones' can stink up the wings with their 1 way contracts. We have been watching this for years.
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08-23-2014, 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
I only listed 12 forwards, there are still a couple spots left.
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I know, but I was surprised to see you don't see Bouma as being a regular. I think Byron is more likely to be a part-time player used to fill holes left by injuries.
I'm a big Bouma fan though.
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08-23-2014, 02:17 PM
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#65
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He'll easily outperform this contract. Useful asset at trade deadline, will produce 20 goals with the Flames if he works hard.
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08-23-2014, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AC
I know, but I was surprised to see you don't see Bouma as being a regular. I think Byron is more likely to be a part-time player used to fill holes left by injuries.
I'm a big Bouma fan though.
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Gotta sign him first  agree though that Byron will probably be one of the hole fillers.
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08-23-2014, 02:21 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
So you want Flames player development to be more like Edmonton and less like Detroit?
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No, Edmonton's model is to give the 18 year olds the leadership and top icetime. but nobody can tell me David Jones, Joe Colburne or TJ Galiardi deserved to be on this team over Sven last year. Colburne caught fire in the last half but he was junk when Sven was sent down, the other two were just plain crap on a stick.
And believe it or not, sometimes the AHL isn't the best place to develop players, high talent players sometimes develop better with good NHL players.
And I wish people would stop bringing up Detroit, they got lucky with three late picks in Zetterburg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom. (neither of which played a game in the AHL) before those guys came around the team was pure crap even with Stevie Y on the team.
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08-23-2014, 02:22 PM
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damn onions
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Agreed would rather 750k be spent on Bouma than Setoguchi. Don't like this one at all at the expense of a youngsters spot. Don't think leaving 1 spot open for the 500 kids means they wouldn't have earned it either. I don't think this organization treats young players very well, and hasn't for a number of years.
Is Setoguchi going to block shots and play as hard as Bouma? Not likely. Just seems like not a great message to send. Hey you'll never have a chance to earn it because we always sign retreads that have at some point in their career "proven it".
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08-23-2014, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RyZ
It doesnt matter if the young guy outplays a vet. The guy with the 1 way contract is gonna get the start. What if 4-5 young guys outplay the vets at camp? Are we gonna trade a quarter of the team to make room? Not a chance, the young guys will just be sent back down to the AHL so the Setaguchis and Jones' can stink up the wings with their 1 way contracts. We have been watching this for years.
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Should ask sob if he agrees with this statement
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08-23-2014, 02:24 PM
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How is anyone who was interested in signing Hayes against Setoguchi? Setoguchi is 5 years older, sure, but he is ONLY 5 years older.
Hayes has shown nothing in the NHL, and Setoguchi certainly has shown plenty of potential. Either one is exciting to me as we rebuild, but it's odd having a camp of people wanting an unproven prospect to take a roster spot on our team also be upset over having a 27 year old very talented winger for free.
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08-23-2014, 02:25 PM
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My face is a bum!
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Where were all the aunt posts? I used to work wih his aunt, curious if it's the same one.
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08-23-2014, 02:25 PM
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by RyZ
It doesnt matter if the young guy outplays a vet. The guy with the 1 way contract is gonna get the start. What if 4-5 young guys outplay the vets at camp? Are we gonna trade a quarter of the team to make room? Not a chance, the young guys will just be sent back down to the AHL so the Setaguchis and Jones' can stink up the wings with their 1 way contracts. We have been watching this for years.
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Agree 100%, the Flames always do this stuff.
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08-23-2014, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hulkrogan
Where were all the aunt posts? I used to work wih his aunt, curious if it's the same one.
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The post is on the last two pages of the trade speculation thread. Eric Cartman is the poster you're looking for.
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08-23-2014, 02:37 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Flames Sign Devin Setoguchi to one year 750k deal.
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Originally Posted by RyZ
It doesnt matter if the young guy outplays a vet. The guy with the 1 way contract is gonna get the start. What if 4-5 young guys outplay the vets at camp? Are we gonna trade a quarter of the team to make room? Not a chance, the young guys will just be sent back down to the AHL so the Setaguchis and Jones' can stink up the wings with their 1 way contracts. We have been watching this for years.
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Well it sure made a difference when Baertschi and Monahan started on the roster over Jackman and Colborne last year.
Dem Flames, no young waiver-ineligible guys EVER get to start the season.
Last edited by Chill Cosby; 08-23-2014 at 05:06 PM.
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08-23-2014, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by indes
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Flip Raymond and Glencross, and I actually like the look of that line-up.
They won't be world beaters, but should be entertaining and game-to-game competitive.
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08-23-2014, 02:42 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by T@T
No, Edmonton's model is to give the 18 year olds the leadership and top icetime. but nobody can tell me David Jones, Joe Colburne or TJ Galiardi deserved to be on this team over Sven last year. Colburne caught fire in the last half but he was junk when Sven was sent down, the other two were just plain crap on a stick.
And believe it or not, sometimes the AHL isn't the best place to develop players, high talent players sometimes develop better with good NHL players.
And I wish people would stop bringing up Detroit, they got lucky with three late picks in Zetterburg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom. (neither of which played a game in the AHL) before those guys came around the team was pure crap even with Stevie Y on the team.
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I am not a fan of jones but he was better than Sven was until he got sent down. Colbourne was fine for a rookie. I'll give you Galiardi , but he spent a lot of time at the end of the bench or in the pressbox. Don't think that position would have helped Sven. Sven was lucky to last as long as he did last year with the big team. If Feaster had been fired a month sooner Sven would have been sent down. Do posters forget that Sven had a pretty mediocre camp?
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08-23-2014, 02:46 PM
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Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Agreed would rather 750k be spent on Bouma than Setoguchi. Don't like this one at all at the expense of a youngsters spot. Don't think leaving 1 spot open for the 500 kids means they wouldn't have earned it either. I don't think this organization treats young players very well, and hasn't for a number of years.
Is Setoguchi going to block shots and play as hard as Bouma? Not likely. Just seems like not a great message to send. Hey you'll never have a chance to earn it because we always sign retreads that have at some point in their career "proven it".
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How does this have anything to do with Bouma? Bouma and Setoguchi won't be playing for the same ice time.
It's not an either/or situation. Bouma will get signed, and he'll probably get signed for more money on a longer term than Setoguchi did.
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08-23-2014, 02:58 PM
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#79
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Agreed would rather 750k be spent on Bouma than Setoguchi. Don't like this one at all at the expense of a youngsters spot. Don't think leaving 1 spot open for the 500 kids means they wouldn't have earned it either. I don't think this organization treats young players very well, and hasn't for a number of years.
Is Setoguchi going to block shots and play as hard as Bouma? Not likely. Just seems like not a great message to send. Hey you'll never have a chance to earn it because we always sign retreads that have at some point in their career "proven it".
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Not sure how this signing affects Bouma? Flames have plenty of cap space to fit Bouma in. You don't give a player an extra $750,000 a year, over what he is looking for, if you don't think his play is worth it.
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08-23-2014, 02:59 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Happy about the signing. Posted in another thread few days ago that they were talking. Seto is still young and super motivated to prove himself. He admits that he got in a bad way in Winnipeg and will not let that happen again. He said he is in the best shape of his life and that the team that signs him will want to resign him. The kid has elite abilities (skating, shot, strength ) and now seems his head and attitude are in a good place. I wish him best of luck with the Flames and hope he proves this signing the steal of the summer.
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