Brent Sutter Interview on FAN960

[1stLand]

MOD EDIT: Removed post.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

wasn't that just 1 game?

Maybe, cant remember exactly, thought it may have 2 or 3 games. Either way the injuries down the stretch really sucked.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I knew all this over 3 years ago.

Glad to see Calgarypuck is starting to come around and acknowledge the individualism of the former captain.

I got banned here for a week for referring to Iggy Apologists & supporters as "Fanboys" and "Igtards"
LOL

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Maybe, cant remember exactly, thought it may have 2 or 3 games. Either way the injuries down the stretch really sucked.

1 game..... I don't know how that 1 game became the story of the season somehow.

Somehow people forgot how many blown leads we got, our record against below 0.500 teams, the "jerkyl and hyde" and we would suck balls for 50 minutes of the game, but have a real good stretch for 10 minutes and find some way to win. All those somehow get forgot to that 1 game.......

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

1 game..... I don't know how that 1 game became the story of the season somehow.

Somehow people forgot how many blown leads we got, our record against below 0.500 teams, the "jerkyl and hyde" and we would suck balls for 50 minutes of the game, but have a real good stretch for 10 minutes and find some way to win. All those somehow get forgot to that 1 game.......

I never said it became the story of the season, no idea where you got that from. I used that as an example to show how bad the injuries were down the stretch for the Flames.

Take a look at how that season went, the Flames had a big division lead, got a crazy amount of injuries and didn't have good depth on the farm to call anyone up and that ended up costing us the division.

It was a last ditch attempt by Sutter to fire Keenan and hire Brent. Keenan deserved another year, he easily got the best out of the Flames since we won the division back when Darryl was the coach.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

1 game..... I don't know how that 1 game became the story of the season somehow.

Somehow people forgot how many blown leads we got, our record against below 0.500 teams, the "jerkyl and hyde" and we would suck balls for 50 minutes of the game, but have a real good stretch for 10 minutes and find some way to win. All those somehow get forgot to that 1 game.......

The injuries at the end of that season were "1 game"?

You couldn't be any more over-dramatic in your take on this if you tried. That was a very good lineup at the time, and it was decimated with injuries throughout the end of that season and into the playoffs.

You've always been doom and gloom, but the over-dramatizing in this discussion is becoming a bit much.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I once test-drove, and almost bought, Jarome Iginla's old car (had no idea it was his I looked through the records).

Which, the air-cooled 911?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by DOOM

It was a last ditch attempt by Sutter to fire Keenan and hire Brent. Keenan deserved another year, he easily got the best out of the Flames since we won the division back when Darryl was the coach.

Well when the Flames leadership group basically threatened to mutiny if he came back and coached another season, Darryl and ownerships hands were tied

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I knew all this over 3 years ago.

Glad to see Calgarypuck is starting to come around and acknowledge the individualism of the former captain.

I got banned here for a week for referring to Iggy Apologists & supporters as "Fanboys" and "Igtards"
LOL

Not sure I see the problem with the ban. There's ways to get your opinion across without sounding like a total dick. Shocking, I know.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Well when Regehr basically threatened to mutiny if he came back and coached another season, Darryl and ownerships hands were tied

Fixed

[sun]

Brent Sutter is/was No Good.

Originally Posted by Table 5

I once test-drove, and almost bought, Jarome Iginla's old car (had no idea it was his I looked through the records).

What car?

[CSharp]

Brent can say whatever he wants from outside the organization. He's was hired as a coach and not as a GM. So, whatever comment he makes is really irrelevant and he didn't get the job done. Yeah, sure, he inherited a mess, but it wasn't that bad initially. The team that Brent got when he took over from Keenan was a playoff bound team. By the end of his 3rd season with the Flames, he's basically turned a playoff bound team into a rebuild. Sometimes you get a team with the players you want and sometimes not. But, if you're dealt with the cards you have, deal with it the best you can. Look at Hartley and how he handled JBo and Butler. Cripes both of these players playing under Hartley actually looked good! With Brent behind the bench, the Flames would have given away JBo for nothing, just like they gave away Regehr for basically nothing. It would've made more sense for Brent to admit that if Darryl would've stepped down from the GM position and coached the Flames full time instead of taking him out of New Jersey, that would've worked out even better for the Flames.

[Hockey_Ninja]

"Igtards". What a dumb, dumb term.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Just a few of things jump out at me from what Brent said:

Regarding the 'we don't have enough young guys' to rebuild - I can somewhat agree in theory. You probably want to feel a bit more comfortable having a bit deeper of a prospect pool to start with - not necessarily NHL-ready bluechippers, but just a deeper pool where you can expect to get support players jumping up and helping the rebuild a little. Still, it doesn't make too much sense to postpone a rebuild when a rebuild gives you exactly that. However, with that being said, this was truly the best time to start the rebuild, no? I wouldn't have wanted to rebuild during the Hall, RNH and Yak years. 2013 and 2015 are by far superior draft years for this. Lucked out, or maybe that was encouraged by the scouting side of things? Either way, I think it ended up being good. Sure, it delayed things for a couple of years, but I always feel the most important thing is to put together a championship caliber team. I don't know about everyone else here, but I prefer this group of young guys than the past groups that Edmonton drafted in. I think most will agree with me on that perspective at least.

The "Giordano is our leader" - no big surprise that Sutter would say that. I am sure he was definitely one of the leaders in the room, but from his perspective, I am sure Giordano was Brent's leaders. I think the Flames would try and buy-into Sutter's system, but it just wasn't effective. From memory, it seems that their little 'pushes' often came about from outside the system where they were allowed to be creative. The mantra that "this team is not good enough to score off the rush" - while this was partly true, being one (if not THE) smallest and oldest teams in the NHL made it pretty obvious that they couldn't score off the cycle either. For 3 years however, that was the game plan. Sutter said in the interview himself - this team was probably good enough to finish in 8th place in the west, but just didn't get it done. If the group is good enough, then it is a coaching concern at that point. I think the forwards who had to utilize Brent's system had a tough time doing so (obviously), and it just fell apart (IMO - not that it is a fact, just what I am inferring from what I saw out there obviously).

The comments weren't that bad. I listened to the interview, and thought his comments weren't that bad really. Just a little bit of insight, but I don't think it is anything new. We knew that Brent and Iginla weren't on the same page already. Of course he isn't going to praise him. Ask his teammates, and you will probably get a different answer. He didn't really throw anyone under the bus I thought, and his complimenting of Giordano was just that, not a big swipe at Iginla I thought.

[Aarongavey]

Good riddance to Brent Sutter, he had the Flames at least competing for a playoff spot. Hartley drove them down to 7th worst in the league and then 4th worst in the league and soon to be worst in the league. This is improving our prospects. He managed to drive the team down to 7th worst in the league with a better roster on paper. The worst thing that Brent did was make the Flames appear more competitive than they actually were, particularly in the 2nd and 3rd year.

He can quit his whining about Iginla too. I am sure there was one captain at the time that was more individualistic, who refused even more vehemently than Iginla to buy into their coaches system. It is not like he was the worst captain in the league during those years.

[Tinordi]

Yes yes, there's a well established story on this board that Brent sucked the creativity out of the team and if only we had Keenan back we'd lock up 8th for a ignominious exit in the first round.

There'll be no convincing anyone of anything at this time. I'll just throw down a couple of my reasons for why I think this story is not very balanced.

I perceived the biggest problem with Brent was that the players didn't buy into his system. Now, alot of people use this to then blame Brent for being a bad coach and not catering to his players. This is backward logic in my opinion. This is pro sports, it's not like Brent's system couldn't have been employed with the talent in the room, it was a system based on hard work. The problem was that Iginla and friends didn't want to play that system. Brent flat out said that the leadership wasn't buying in and Iginla retorted saying that his job is to score goals.

Now who's more to blame here? Brent responsible for putting a winning system out on the ice. The players, being paid millions, are responsible for delivering on the vision of the coach.

Further, Brent came in to address years of bad habits. Again, is it Brent's fault that the inmates were left to run the asylum prior to him arriving? Does that fact that Iginla and friends were happy being the gang under Keenan then make Brent a bad coach for trying to correct it instead of just going along?

It's a bit two-faced in my opinion to deride Keenan for being too lax, then to say Brent was a bad coach because he didn't adapt to the type of hockey the players wanted to play.

Fundamentally, I believe the reason Brent is targeted is that he's a generally easy scape goat around here. We witnessed the crumbling of a "perenial playoff contender" before our very eyes under Brent. The availability heuristic, or our need to find causal relationships even where one doesn't exist points easily and lazily to Brent. But what if Iginla and friends, high on the hog, but older slower and less committed to playing hard hockey and deteriorating in their skill was the real reason for the collapse? I know, never call out the prodigal son but to me what we witnessed was the inevitable unraveling of a core that was no longer fit to contend. Brent was unfortunate to have to preside over it but he wasn't the real problem.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I don't buy that at all, Darryl is a coach first and foremost. I heard the exact same rumours that King vetoed D.Sutter from coaching again because he wanted Brent brought in instead. Why on earth would he refuse another coaching opportunity with the Flames only to go back behind the bench shortly thereafter with the Kings?

A - because he was the Flames GM at the time

A - Because he didn't have a job at the time.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Locke

A client of mine bought a Honda Pilot off of Brent Sutter yesterday.

Dammit Brent ! Honda ? Honda ? I have lost All faith in ye now. Alberta and trucks go together. You should know that being an Alberta boy. Honda doesn't make trucks ! Kidding... I know this is false cause I can't see a Sutter selling a Honda. And if he did... Well... He might as well start growing strawberries and breeding Emu's too. But I know he didn't, so, i can sleep tonight.


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[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Good riddance to Brent Sutter, he had the Flames at least competing for a playoff spot. Hartley drove them down to 7th worst in the league and then 4th worst in the league and soon to be worst in the league. This is improving our prospects. He managed to drive the team down to 7th worst in the league with a better roster on paper. The worst thing that Brent did was make the Flames appear more competitive than they actually were, particularly in the 2nd and 3rd year.

This whole post is gold, but the bolded part is just...

[Vulcan]

The thing for me is a good coach is able to adapt a system for the players he has, not the other way around and Brent was just too pig headed and stuck in his ways to adapt. He also had a loser mentality. When we went to California to play two games in two days, he'd start Kipper against the weak team trying to guarantee a win while giving up trying to win the second game where he'd start the backup. The thing was this lack of confidence rubbed off on the team and they'd lose the easy game too.

I remember when Phil Housley was brought back to the Flames a second time and I thought, this should be hilarious watching Phil play for Brian Sutter. The thing is Phil played well because Brian knew how to use him. Brian was a good coach but I don't think he's interested anymore to give his all to coaching.