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BACKCHECK!!! · 07-09-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Right hand D got a boat load of cash this year...

And proven goal-scorers got nothing but throw-away draft picks at the deadline this year. Markets are unpredictable year-to-year.

Resolute 14 · 07-09-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TKB

They get to save money on a guy that really shouldn't be paid all that much money. If he lights it up this year then you can offload him at the deadline to a contender for a nice return, if he plays like crap you let him walk as a UFA. This has nothing to do with Petry wanting to leave as a UFA next year, if he really wanted out he would of asked to be traded.

I wouldn't doubt it if you are expressing the Oilers' opinion rather accurately. However, this line of thinking does demonstrate the divide that clearly exists in your organization. In Edmonton, there are the wunderkinds who get everything handed to them on a silver platter - deserved or not. Then there is everyone else, who are viewed as disposable.

It's no wonder that guys like Andrew Ference walk into Edmonton and remark that things "aren't as bad as I heard", as if that is a good thing.

cannon7 · 07-09-2014, 10:19 AM

I'd take Petry over Engelland at #6. He might be the only decent defender they have....

cannon7 · 07-09-2014, 10:51 AM

If the Oilers want to dump some cap I'd take Yakupov off their hands for a song. pick. The Flames might be able to turn him into a real NHLer.. Could use another RW with skill, although he's had a rough go inEdmonton...

Resolute 14 · 07-09-2014, 10:52 AM

No, no, no, no, god no. Yakupov is exactly the type of one-dimensional pouter that stops teams from succeeding.

EldrickOnIce · 07-09-2014, 11:05 AM

I'm not so sure. Maybe it's too late for him, but I doubt it. You can't develop in a void.
He took their crap without saying a word, iirc. It was his agent who had some things to say, and I don't blame him - it's his job.
Yakupov upon did everything asked of him, as best he could. He really got hung out to dry and was was made into the organization's whipping boy.

cannon7 · 07-09-2014, 03:19 PM

Oilers management are likely delusional enough to think that Nikitin/Fayne for a combined cap hit of $8.1M will effectively be their top-pairing. Reality is that these two are still very unproven, especially in the top-four, and their respective teams didn't fight very hard to keep them. The Oilers overpaid for these two and likely will overpay for Shultz, too. Add Ference at $3M and you have a expensive group of#4-5 guys.

Resolute 14 · 07-09-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I'm not so sure. Maybe it's too late for him, but I doubt it. You can't develop in a void.
He took their crap without saying a word, iirc. It was his agent who had some things to say, and I don't blame him - it's his job.
Yakupov upon did everything asked of him, as best he could. He really got hung out to dry and was was made into the organization's whipping boy.

Agents don't speak like that without their clients' consent.

But with Yakupov, it isn't a developmental thing. He's a one-dimensional player. Another team might get him to play that dimension with greater consistency, but he simply is not the kind of player I want on this team.

Also, you don't trade with Edmonton, period. It is likely no coincidence that we haven't made the playoffs since Sutter broke the taboo!

Street Pharmacist · 07-09-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I'm not so sure. Maybe it's too late for him, but I doubt it. You can't develop in a void.
He took their crap without saying a word, iirc. It was his agent who had some things to say, and I don't blame him - it's his job.
Yakupov upon did everything asked of him, as best he could. He really got hung out to dry and was was made into the organization's whipping boy.

He did everything he was asked? Not according to the people who were asking him to do stuff...

EldrickOnIce · 07-09-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

He did everything he was asked? Not according to the people who were asking him to do stuff...

They ask, but they don't teach. Anything.
Every one of those guys (Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yakupov) play exactly like they did when they were 18 years old. Zero player development. No veteran mentorship. No coaching.
I may as well ask my 6 year old to do calculus and rake her over the coals when she fails at it.

Read Only · 07-09-2014, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I'm not so sure. Maybe it's too late for him, but I doubt it. You can't develop in a void.
He took their crap without saying a word, iirc. It was his agent who had some things to say, and I don't blame him - it's his job.
Yakupov upon did everything asked of him, as best he could. He really got hung out to dry and was was made into the organization's whipping boy.

What crap did he take?

He has been pretty terrible in his time in the NHL, not played a minute of defense, acted like an ass on the few times he has scored and yet still is given a ton of minutes when he should be down in the minors.

He has done nothing asked of him unless they asked him to suck (which I doubt even the morons running the Oilers would do). He has got a pretty free ride from the Coilers.

EldrickOnIce · 07-09-2014, 05:40 PM

He is the only one who hasn't got a free ride.
Not one of the other golden boys has ever had to answer for anything, except maybe spraying the coach with a water bottle. Yakupov was called out publicly, demoted to 4th line, and sent to the press box. Probably crap is the wrong word, just in relation to the rest has been treated far differently.
Regardless, I have no interest in defending anything Oilers, so I'll stop again - after saying this.
In my opinion, in large part it is not necessarily the Edmonton players who are no good, it is Edmonton is no good. Had Monahan gone to them last year, they would make him no good... just like they would have with Bennett this year. Those unfortunate young guys are simply a product of a no good environment.
There are numerous recent multiple Stanley cup winners who where no good in Edmonton, and are now good.
If they players themselves are no good, it lets Edmonton off the hook. We can laugh at the Oilers 'luck' with their first overall picks in the timing, but more likely they are only a product of their no good organization. Of course they have lots of no good players now too - as no one will sign there who is good - but of the guys they drafted and developed (or in this case didn't develop) who knows if they may have actually been good somewhere else.

Read Only · 07-09-2014, 05:45 PM

Hall, Eberle, RNH and even Schultz at a least put up points to go with their lack of defense. So sitting them or giving them less minutes doesn't make a ton of sense.

Yak didn't score, didn't play defense and had a bad attitude. He wasn't singled out he just sucked more than anyone else.

4oh3 · 07-10-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cannon7

If the Oilers want to dump some cap I'd take Yakupov off their hands for a song. pick. The Flames might be able to turn him into a real NHLer.. Could use another RW with skill, although he's had a rough go inEdmonton...

Haven't you heard? Yak would be the big factor in a webber trade. Come on now.

JiriHrdina · 07-10-2014, 07:59 AM

Even if the Flames wanted Yak the Oil would never trade him here for fear he turns into a star

Resolute 14 · 07-10-2014, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Read Only

Hall, Eberle, RNH and even Schultz at a least put up points to go with their lack of defense. So sitting them or giving them less minutes doesn't make a ton of sense.

Yak didn't score, didn't play defense and had a bad attitude. He wasn't singled out he just sucked more than anyone else.

More accurately, he was singled out because he sucks more than anyone else.