Possible Backlund and Brodie extension numbers?

[GGG]

As a comparable Slava Voynov just signed a 6yr / 25mil deal.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If Brodie has another year where he progresses the way he has the last two seasons, I'd give him 5/$20M. He's the next Dan Boyle.

Only if he progresses like he did last season? You should hope we could get him at $4M now.

If he progresses as much as he did last season, he'd be one of the top defenders in the entire league.

I don't think people understand how much Brodie excelled playing some of the toughest minutes in the NHL as a 23 year old.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Only if he progresses like he did last season? You should hope we could get him at $4M now.

If he progresses as much as he did last season, he'd be one of the top defenders in the entire league.

I don't think people understand how much Brodie excelled playing some of the toughest minutes in the NHL as a 23 year old.

Fair enough; believe me man, I'm as big a Brodie fan as the lady who's name doesn't bury the lead. Maybe not that much, but I see him as a cornerstone player.

But because D in their early/mid twenties have a tendency to fall off for a while, why don't we go with something in the middle: 3 years, $5.75 per. Overpay in terms of actual dollars to once again keep the term lower. If we have to really open up for an 8 year deal at 7 or 8 per in 3 years, so be it. It means Brodie forced our hand.

[jemjey]

why keep the term low with a young player you see as a cornerstone?

[EldrickOnIce]

The fancy type stat of corsi for % relative, fwiw, looks pretty good for Brodie.
http://www.extraskater.com/players/p...ort=cf_pct_rel
He is second in the NHL, behind Mark Giordano

This is with the 17th toughest QOC
http://www.extraskater.com/players/q...ort=cf_pct_rel

And the 5th toughest zone starts
http://www.extraskater.com/players/d...ct&dir=reverse

The fancy stats negative? WOWY in corsi for
With Giordano 56.2, without Giordano 46.7
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/show...013-14&sit=5v5
The interesting flipside of that is Giordano numbers are similar
With Brodie 56.2, without Brodie 47.4
This is obviously an exceptional pairing.

I think I did this more or less right...

[djsFlames]

I don't think Brodie's gonna be a massive money pig. Backlund will want fair pay, but nothing ridiculous.

4 years 3.5 million Backlund

5 years 4-4.5 million Brodie

[Poe969]

I would wait a while to sign them. There is no rush and you want to see if they're going to keep improving like they did last year or see if last year was just an exception to the rule. I think Backlund got to shine because there weren't any expectations on the team and there was no pressure to produce. There won't be again this year but there might be pressure on him to step up and if he can then we can sign him around Christmas. I think he will sign a more affordable contract then some are suggesting though. Brodie is a little harder to gauge, it's hard to tell if he did so well last year because of Gio. I know he still played well when Gio was hurt but his defensive game didn't seem as good. I see Brodie as more of just an offensive defensman and that kind of scares me personally. I think he really needs to improve his all around game before we sign him long term, but that's just me. Giving him 5 million a year would be a mistake in my eyes unless he does something to show he's improved over last year.

[GGG]

My latest thought would be to sign Brodie to a 5 or 6 year contract now and front load it and try to keep the cap hit under 5.

Say a 6 yr 27 mil contract but pay him 6,6,6,3,3,3 or whatever to be cap compliant. This uses our open budget (owners say their a cap willing team) the next 3 years and if he doesnt maintain his level of play to justify his cap hit you can trade him to an internal budget team as he will always be at least a 3 mil defensemen.

If he has 1 more good season we wont get him less than 5.5. So lets risk the owners money now to have more cap space in the future

[bubbsy]

i really think both guys are solid players and last year showed what they can bring to the team.

Brodie is an easy 2nd pairing guy already in the league, but showed that he has what it takes to log 1st pairing minutes, and still look good.

Backlund last year showed that if he can stay healthy and play with decent players, he can provide a 2nd line center presence. Consistency is the only concern, though he was pretty darn consistent for large chunks of last season. He's already a good #3 NHL center in my eyes, with the only question being if he can actually be a #2.

I think this season he will be looked at as a 1A/1B again, so hope that we see an extension by xmas after seeing how he handles coming into a year where folks have expectations of him.

i can't even guess what they're contract numbers will look like. I hope they are viewed as part of the young core as of today however.

[polak]

3.5 - 4 year for Backlund, but not until closer to the end of the season so we confirm that he is still improving. Locking him up right before he enters his prime would be great.

[OBCT]

Brodie is the rare type of player I might be comfortable giving a stupid term in exchange for decreased cap hit. He is a cornerstone and I personally don't see his play falling off significantly any time soon. I understand why many would be hesitant to jump to conclusions on the guy now, but I happen to believe he and Giordano will only improve as they play together and could turn into one of the more dynamic blueline duos of the next decade.

I think it would be a steal to sign him to any deal under $5 mil AAV for more than 4 years. I know there are risks involved with long term deals, but I suppose you sometimes need to make a judgment call on the person you're signing. Will the pay day change him as a player? I can't say for sure, but I don't believe so.

With the salary cap likely to only increase in the next decade, what is the likelihood that the Flames would be hindered by signing Brodie to an 10 year contract extension for $45 million, for example? $4.5 mil AAV cap hit until he's 34 years old?... count me in.

Whether Brodie would even consider such an offer is another question entirely, but $45 million guaranteed cash with the opportunity for another UFA contract right after his (theoretical) prime... not the worst thing that could happen to a guy.


As for Backlund... for now I'd prefer to continue signing Mikael to short-term deals, preferably in the 1-2 (max 3) year range. I like him, and I hope he sticks around, but I still have a hard time projecting his eventual progression as a player, and for whatever reason (complete speculation on my part) I think he's the type that will actually benefit from needing to continually prove himself to warrant getting a raise on that next contract. He's also a player I'd be very comfortable rewarding handsomely if/when he ever progresses to the point where he becomes that cornerstone center the organization feels they need to lock up. I certainly don't think he's there yet, but I do believe that potential still exists.

[IgiTang]

What we all prefer or want is irrelevant... Backlund is gonna get paid. Both in term and money, from the Flames or someone else. The Flames cannot afford to try and "Paul Byron" him to avoid arbitration. Backs will get paid in arbitration.

Last year had 18 goals and 21 assists for 39 pts in 76 games. He is gradually increasing his ppg every year. He has ALWAYS had a solid 2-way game and is PROVEN against other teams top competition. Not beating the other teams top guys necessarily, but has not been made to look silly in the least.

Some notable Centers within the same point range - not necessarily same age.

CMikael BacklundCGY 76 18 21 39 +4 ATOI 18:32

CMike RichardsLA 82 11 30 41 -6 ATOI 16:58

CJordan StaalCAR 82 15 25 40 +2 ATOI 18:56

CVincent LecavalierPHI 69 20 17 37 -16 ATOI 15:11

CRJ UmbergerCLB 74 18 16 34 -3 ATOI 16:10

CSam GagnerEDM 67 10 27 37 -29 ATOI 18:22

And for fun

CRyan KeslerVAN 77 25 18 43 -15 ATOI 21:48

To think Backs is walking away with anything less than $4-$4.5/per is dreaming. He has already taken 2 "show me what you can do" contracts. And he is showing it.
If he improves on his totals from last year and breaks 20 goals, hes getting $5M+ from someone. If Calgary offered Backs $4.5 over 4 years, that would be GOOD VALUE! All i hope for is that there is NO NTC/NMC.

[EldrickOnIce]

No way I would take a contract without a limited NMC if I'm Backlund or anyone in that position.
A list of 10 teams (or pick a smaller number) you won't go to should be OK with the Flames

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

No way I would take a contract without a limited NMC if I'm Backlund or anyone in that position.
A list of 10 teams (or pick a smaller number) you won't go to should be OK with the Flames

In what position exactly? First "gettin paid" contract? What makes him deserve Money(he will get) Term(if dollars are reasonable, he should get) NMC/NTC (hasnt earned it)...

Can you elaborate as to why you think he deserves one or would you just throw one at him for the sake of it?

[Sylvanfan]

One of these years a 15 year contract for 67 million dollars has to work out.

[JTech780]

I think Backlund will get traded at the deadline, he will bring back a good return at the deadline for a team looking for depth at center, especially with his current cap hit. With guys like Monahan stepping up last year, Stajan getting extended and guys like Granlund and Bennett knocking on the door, it could speel the end of Backlund's tenure in Calgary.

Trade him to address weaknesses in other areas.

Brodie probably won't be getting more than Giordano, I would think in the $3.5 to $4 million range over 3 to 4 years. It really depends on if he takes another step forward in his development and shows a little more assertiveness in all 3 zones.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Can you elaborate as to why you think he deserves one or would you just throw one at him for the sake of it?

His next contract gives up UFA years. So yes, based on his play and as a result of that, you offer that bone.
I don't think it's overly restrictive to the Flames.
I might be wrong

[Read Only]

4 million is a lot of money to be paying a guy who is likely your 3rd line center when you are competing. Hopefully if he is getting that or more it is for 3 years at most.

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Only if he progresses like he did last season? You should hope we could get him at $4M now.

If he progresses as much as he did last season, he'd be one of the top defenders in the entire league.

I don't think people understand how much Brodie excelled playing some of the toughest minutes in the NHL as a 23 year old.

Mrs. Brody??

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

What we all prefer or want is irrelevant... Backlund is gonna get paid. Both in term and money, from the Flames or someone else. The Flames cannot afford to try and "Paul Byron" him to avoid arbitration. Backs will get paid in arbitration.

Last year had 18 goals and 21 assists for 39 pts in 76 games. He is gradually increasing his ppg every year. He has ALWAYS had a solid 2-way game and is PROVEN against other teams top competition. Not beating the other teams top guys necessarily, but has not been made to look silly in the least.

Some notable Centers within the same point range - not necessarily same age.

CMikael BacklundCGY 76 18 21 39 +4 ATOI 18:32

CMike RichardsLA 82 11 30 41 -6 ATOI 16:58

CJordan StaalCAR 82 15 25 40 +2 ATOI 18:56

CVincent LecavalierPHI 69 20 17 37 -16 ATOI 15:11

CRJ UmbergerCLB 74 18 16 34 -3 ATOI 16:10

CSam GagnerEDM 67 10 27 37 -29 ATOI 18:22

And for fun

CRyan KeslerVAN 77 25 18 43 -15 ATOI 21:48

To think Backs is walking away with anything less than $4-$4.5/per is dreaming. He has already taken 2 "show me what you can do" contracts. And he is showing it.
If he improves on his totals from last year and breaks 20 goals, hes getting $5M+ from someone. If Calgary offered Backs $4.5 over 4 years, that would be GOOD VALUE! All i hope for is that there is NO NTC/NMC.

Those are all the most expensive guys near his production and most of them are vastly under performing.

Artem Anisimov has had a more consistent production and has a cap hit of $3.3.

Matt Cullen $3.5 million

Andrew Cogliano $3 million.

Matthew Perreault just got $3 million.


$3.5 would be the high end.