Ontario Elects Liberal Majority

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

I believe 2009 or 2010 was the first time Ontario ever received equalization payments. Alberta received equalization payments in the 50s and 60s. So should Alberta just be taking part in equalization when it's convenient for them? Think about it.

Have provinces always seem to think that they are simply handing money over to have not provinces. There is actually a lot more to it. All tax payers pay into EQ

I recall even Ralph Klein back when he was still premiere of Alberta stated that the federal government invested in Alberta and the oil industry before Alberta was an economic powerhouse and that they should expect a return on that. And at the time, it was Ontario that was putting up the capital for it.

I'm not saying that Albertans do not have a history of being hard working and industrious, because they certainly do; but sitting on huge oil deposits was a lottery moment.

Ontario, especially the GTA; has so many infrastructure and social challenges right now due to historical mismanagement, that they really need to spend right now to get things in line. They can't continue to ignore it.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Lol.. ALBERTA message board, honest mistake. Conservatives everywhere.

Lol.. attempted cop out.

[Daradon]

Obviously Ontario is betting that Wynne as a leader will be better than her predecessor. And they may be right. But obviously a bunch of people were banking on the voters being more angry at the party than the leader.

Whether or not it will be much different is certainly anyone's guess. But I would agree with those that said there wasn't much of an alternative anyway. So why not put a little faith in a new leader?

Sure looks like the same thing that is happening here. I have a feeling we'll see the exact same thing. A new PC leader will gain back much of the support lost because of Redford.

Lastly, it sure is interesting how pollsters seem to be getting it wrong more and more often lately. This election, the previous Albertan one. I seem to remember there was another one, maybe I'm wrong.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Lastly, it sure is interesting how pollsters seem to be getting it wrong more and more often lately. This election, the previous Albertan one. I seem to remember there was another one, maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think that they are, polls are simply a snapshot in time. With instant information, 24 hour news cycles and social media opinions can change in days or hours. In the past it took time for information to trickle down to the masses. Polling is probably becoming obsolete but that doesn't mean that what they find is wrong at the time. Trying to draw conclusions on future voting patterns from a set of poll results is getting more and more of a crap shoot though.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Polling is probably becoming obsolete

Polling will be obsolete when strategic voting no longer has value ... i.e. when we get the right kind of electoral reform. And even then, the campaigns will still want polls to see where they are standing in the lead-ups to elections.

[Tinordi]

Polling is not absolutely. Frank Graves at EKOS basically nailed the election.

Anyway, here's a great run down of the difference in campaign strategies to give you a flavour of how political campaigners design and deliver on electoral strategy.

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/col...n-wynne-won-it

Don’t say that Tim Hudak blew the election.

That’s the laziest possible analysis. The kind of reaction relied upon by those who lack the diligence to unearth insights of a more penetrating sort. And frankly, it’s just not fair. It’s a disservice to the largely spotless effort Hudak presented on the election trail. It’s an even greater disservice to a Liberal campaign that displayed enormous skill and no small measure of perseverance.

The truth is that Wynne’s victory was a rare triumph of strategy. A carefully, shrewdly plotted effort by the Liberal team that harnessed every ounce of the new premier’s appeal, and managed to outfox and outbox its opponents at every important juncture. Consider the following moves — many of which attracted the cluck-cluck of sidelined pundits at the time of implementation but which now figure large in the Liberal win.

[Daradon]

I think maybe certain methods of polling and more importantly statistics are becoming obsolete (or less effective) and others are taking the forefront. So maybe we're getting a changing of the guard in that area.

There was that guy in the States who got all but one area right in the last presidential election.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Daradon

There was that guy in the States who got all but one area wrong in the last presidential election.

You may be referring to Nate Silver. He went 50 for 50 in the Presidential race (but wasn't confident about claiming Florida as Democrat and claimed it was 50/50 odds) and 31 for 33 in Senate voting (overestimated Republican voting).

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I think maybe certain methods of polling and more importantly statistics are becoming obsolete (or less effective) and others are taking the forefront. So maybe we're getting a changing of the guard in that area.

There was that guy in the States who got all but one area wrong in the last presidential election.

So he only got 1 right?

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

I want out of equilization payments to other provinces. It's time every province become accountable for its decisions. If ontario wants a tax and spend premier that will end up in debt then they should sort it out themselves.

Okay I think that just about covers it for all of the: "Albertans talk about Ontario" cliches.

I think we just need a "Let the b@st@rds freeze in the dark" and that should wrap things up.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by kirant

You may be referring to Nate Silver. He went 50 for 50 in the Presidential race (but wasn't confident about claiming Florida as Democrat and claimed it was 50/50 odds) and 31 for 33 in Senate voting (overestimated Republican voting).

Yup! Thanks man. I can see his face, couldn't remember his name. Too lazy to look it up.

Originally Posted by Rathji

So he only got 1 right?

Whoops! Haha.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

"Let the b@st@rds freeze in the dark"

Off topic a bit, but I think this one has run it's day. I think most of Alberta would be more then happy to sell our oil to anyone who wants to buy it. West, South or East.