when the kings first hired him the hiring was mocked around the league and thought to be a bad decision...there are many articles about it, I just posted one. Lombardi would have been fired had they not made the playoffs so likely Daryl too
ok I read the article, not sure if I would call that mocking and a bad idea. but thanks..... i'm not sure I agree with you, but I see where you are coming from now.
If anything I think 2012 showed Darryl is one of the best in the league, if not the best.
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Anyone who remembers that season knows we really didn't have a chance. We went on a little late run after being completely out of it to jump a bunch of teams after being in the 11th-13th spot for quite some time. We really weren't a threat to the Kings at all.
Darryl took that team and had a record of 25-13-11 and still barely made the playoffs. That previous coach was definitely underachieving with the exact same team.
I think you are missing the point. It isn't really about who would have knocked the kings out of the playoffs its about how the slimmist of margins change the outcomes of lives. The butterfly effect.
If Daryl goes 22-15-12 and misses the playoffs, he and Lombardi are fired and Daryl is remembered as a terrbile coarch and gm. Instead 2 wins difference changes him into a top 5 coach who wasn't a poor GM.
That is a pretty fickle industry where what is really random chance (the difference between 22 and 25 wins) changes the entire legacy of a coach.
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I think you are missing the point. It isn't really about who would have knocked the kings out of the playoffs its about how the slimmist of margins change the outcomes of lives. The butterfly effect.
If Daryl goes 22-15-12 and misses the playoffs, he and Lombardi are fired and Daryl is remembered as a terrbile coarch and gm. Instead 2 wins difference changes him into a top 5 coach who wasn't a poor GM.
That is a pretty fickle industry where what is really random chance (the difference between 22 and 25 wins) changes the entire legacy of a coach.
Well other than the fact that you have no idea whether they would have been fired or not.
Even a non watching hockey fan could have figured out that Darryl completely changed that team the second he got there and they're going to fire him after barely missing the playoffs? After going 7 games over.500? Yeah, that is nothing short of crazy.
ok I read the article, not sure if I would call that mocking and a bad idea. but thanks..... i'm not sure I agree with you, but I see where you are coming from now.
If anything I think 2012 showed Darryl is one of the best in the league, if not the best.
did you read the title of the article
Kings seem misguided in hiring Sutter
" it's hard to view Sutter's hiring -- one that will take effect Tuesday -- as anything but a misguided calculation that will end badly"
sounds like they think its a great idea, anyway I remember it wasn't every popular at the time but I don't need to search around for more articles but they are out there. TSN panel thought it was a terrible idea, sorry I don't have the clips saved in case it ever came up. Look in the comments section of every article about his hiring its 90% negative.
I am saying he is one of the best just that its a fickle profession
" it's hard to view Sutter's hiring -- one that will take effect Tuesday -- as anything but a misguided calculation that will end badly"
sounds like they think its a great idea, anyway I remember it wasn't every popular at the time but I don't need to search around for more articles but they are out there. TSN panel thought it was a terrible idea, sorry I don't have the clips saved in case it ever came up. Look in the comments section of every article about his hiring its 90% negative.
I am saying he is one of the best just that its a fickle profession
Well I read the content, it was more about how the LAK sucked and a bit about Lombardi, and less about Darryl himself.
I remembered the day he was hired, I remember saying to many Kings fans that they were going to win the cup that year and he is the best in the league.
Either way, maybe there are articles out there that are negative, but he ended up taking the Kings to the Stanley Cup. So there you go...
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Well other than the fact that you have no idea whether they would have been fired or not.
Even a non watching hockey fan could have figured out that Darryl completely changed that team the second he got there and they're going to fire him after barely missing the playoffs? After going 7 games over.500? Yeah, that is nothing short of crazy.
we could go back and forth all day, nobody knows for sure but its highly unlikely that Lombardi would be fired and Daryl kept on. And its very likely that Lombardi would have been fired.
the fact that this thread was made after they came back from 0-3 to 3-3 kinda proves my point. Where was the "sutter is the best coach" thread last week? If they got swept in the 1st we wouldn't be having this convo
coaching is about what have you done for me lately, must be tough
Well I read the content, it was more about how the LAK sucked and a bit about Lombardi, and less about Darryl himself.
I remembered the day he was hired, I remember saying to many Kings fans that they were going to win the cup that year and he is the best in the league.
Either way, maybe there are articles out there that are negative, but he ended up taking the Kings to the Stanley Cup. So there you go...
hope you put some money down on the kings at 100:1 since you knew they were going to win the cup
and I'm not arguing him being one of the best coaches so...yeah
the fact that this thread was made after they came back from 0-3 to 3-3 kinda proves my point. Where was the "sutter is the best coach" thread last week? If they got swept in the 1st we wouldn't be having this convo
Well they did come back from 0-3....
That is part of being a great coach you know...if the Kings lost every single game this year we wouldn't have had this conversation either and if I was 6'7 I'd be in the NHL. If I was 7'2 I'd be in the NBA...what ifs are so damn lame. We know what we know now why put a '"if" in there?
hope you put some money down on the kings at 100:1 since you knew they were going to win the cup
and I'm not arguing him being one of the best coaches so...yeah
Actually tried, but didn't know how. It was the first and only time I looked into how to gamble on sports. I found out I could do it in Vegas in person, but I didn't understand how the system worked. Also, they day they hired Darryl, I think it was actually 80:1 for the Vegas odds that I saw.
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Even Wayne Gretzky doesn't seem to like Sutter. I remember during the '12 finals, Gretzky was being interviewed in between periods and was down playing Sutter and not giving him any credit for what he did with the Kings. IMO, Wayne looked pretty jealous.
Whatever. Mario was better, anyway. Screw that guy.
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That is part of being a great coach you know...if the Kings lost every single game this year we wouldn't have had this conversation either and if I was 6'7 I'd be in the NHL. If I was 7'2 I'd be in the NBA...what ifs are so damn lame. We know what we know now why put a '"if" in there?
I ####ing said he is one of the best
then I said the profession is fickle and gave a couple perfect examples. He was on the hot seat 5 days ago (at least in the media)
Did anyone else hear of Sutter's job being in jeopardy had they been eliminated in the playoffs this season, or was that just imagined by dino7c? I think collectively at least one of us would have heard something about that, as I sure didn't.
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Did anyone else hear of Sutter's job being in jeopardy had they been eliminated in the playoffs this season, or was that just imagined by dino7c? I think collectively at least one of us would have heard something about that, as I sure didn't.
Nope, not a thing, and my TV is always on TSN or SN.
Did anyone else hear of Sutter's job being in jeopardy had they been eliminated in the playoffs this season, or was that just imagined by dino7c? I think collectively at least one of us would have heard something about that, as I sure didn't.
email Steinberg, they talked about it last week...I have already spent too much time on this thread...EE heard the reports as well so either we are both crazy or it happened
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There were whispers that he could be let go if they lost the series in embarrassing fashion. We will probably never know now but there were whispers in the media for sure his job was tenuous when they were down 3-1.
this, not saying it was imminent
anyway by the logic of this thread its all about wins which is fine
Claude Julien has a recent cup, more wins than anyone this year, and only one loss in the playoffs so he is #1 currently
(and was about to be canned the year the won the cup but they beat Montreal in game 7 OT)
