[News] Kevin Hayes signs with the Rangers

[StrykerSteve]

This is an interesting development, indeed.

Big body, RW who put up great points in his final year of college? Yes, please.

If Feaster was still here, this has 4th round pick written all over it.

edit - not RH, damn. I'd still take him.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I don't like the idea of picking up someone who refuses to play for a team that drafts him. I think taking advantage of this sort of thing should be discouraged.

In professional sports where the stakes and expectations are high and where competition for a very finite number of resources is fierce, I don't think teams should shy away from this. It's akin to passing on a player who reenters a draft after not reaching an agreement with his original team.

[sureLoss]

Wow... wish people would actually read the thread.

Chicago is getting a 2nd round pick for him if he doesn't sign before August 15.

They aren't going to trade him for a 3rd or 4th.

They will need at least a higher 2nd rounder to make it worth their time or they are better off letting him walk on August 15th

[devo22]

yeah I thought my OP was pretty clear

I can totally understand his decision, by the way. At the end of the day, "being grateful" to the organization who drafted you is only a part of the decision ... and if I were in his shoes, I'd probably go the same route simply because of the organization's depth on the wing.

Patrick Kane
Patrick Sharp
Marian Hossa
Kris Versteeg
Brandon Saad
Jeremy Morin
Ben Smith
Ryan Hartman

Plus maybe Teuvo Teravainen will be a winger going forward as well. That's crazy depth and opportunities will be rare. Plus he obviously watched his brother getting shipped after not getting a lot of chances ... that surely didn't help the Blackhawks in this case. Really not that shocking that he's decided to look for an opportunity elsewhere.

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

In professional sports where the stakes and expectations are high and where competition for a very finite number of resources is fierce, I don't think teams should shy away from this. It's akin to passing on a player who reenters a draft after not reaching an agreement with his original team.

I would agree with you if we were discussing Toews coming out of the NCAA, but I think it's bad precedent when average players like Hayes pull stunts like these.

I understand it's beneficial to the player to pick his spot, but it makes the draft and other NCAA players look bad, potentially hurting draft position for future kids who take that route.

I also realize it is a small percentage of NCAA players who refuse to sign, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility to see more kids deciding on this option.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Wow... wish people would actually read the thread.

Chicago is getting a 2nd round pick for him if he doesn't sign before August 15.

They aren't going to trade him for a 3rd or 4th.

They will need at least a higher 2nd rounder to make it worth their time or they are better off letting him walk on August 15th

It's not that difficult, trade them a 2nd of comparable value and add in a 4th. Should get the deal done.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

It's not that difficult, trade them a 2nd of comparable value and add in a 4th. Should get the deal done.

I don't know... I could understand this "confusion":

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

If Feaster was still here, this has 4th round pick written all over it.

[PeteMoss]

Sureloss is going to overheat!!

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

We have a player in our system that did the same thing: Corban Knight.

[MacFlame]

Would not at all be surprised to see Cundari going to Chicago as part of a larger package to land him.

Burke strikes me as the type of GM to offer (somewhat significant) assets to acquire a player in a situation like this, rather than take advantage and try to sign him in the summer for nothing. Relationships with other GM's go along way.

Can the flames make a trade for him now or do they have to wait until the playoffs are over?

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I don't know... I could understand this "confusion":

What I meant was, Feaster would be trying his damndest to include whatever 4th round picks he had at his disposal to make it happen. Not that a fourth on its own would get it done.

He treated those picks like assets more than any other, but to his credit, got some good returns in doing so.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Hatter

I would agree with you if we were discussing Toews coming out of the NCAA, but I think it's bad precedent when average players like Hayes pull stunts like these.

I understand it's beneficial to the player to pick his spot, but it makes the draft and other NCAA players look bad, potentially hurting draft position for future kids who take that route.

I also realize it is a small percentage of NCAA players who refuse to sign, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility to see more kids deciding on this option.

Fair, however, whatever Hayes' motivations and convictions are they are strong enough to turn his back on an NHL team and carry that "reputation" (whatever that would be) during his career. Should he just be left to wallow in professional hockey limbo if he doesn't want to sign with a team that drafted him 3-4 years ago? I don't have a solution, but it's such a small percentage of players, I don't know if it merits corrective action by the NHL/NHLPA.

Assuming there isn't tampering on behalf of the player or his agent leading up to August 15th of his senior year, it's somewhat risky that the player won't get what he thinks he deserves going this route.

[Hank Hill]

Why trade for him at all?
The Flames have the inside track on signing him without giving up anything having recently added his BC line mates and lots of opportunity for RW's on a NHL roster.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

Can the flames make a trade for him now or do they have to wait until the playoffs are over?

teams can trade as soon as their season ends ... so we won't see a Hayes trade until the Hawks are eliminated

[Racki]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I don't like the idea of picking up someone who refuses to play for a team that drafts him. I think taking advantage of this sort of thing should be discouraged.

This seems to be one of those items of principle for Burke. Kind of like his Christmas trade freeze and refusal to put in an offer sheet. I doubt he'd try and sign him once he becomes a UFA. I think he trades for him if he's interested.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

Would not at all be surprised to see Cundari going to Chicago as part of a larger package to land him.

Burke strikes me as the type of GM to offer (somewhat significant) assets to acquire a player in a situation like this, rather than take advantage and try to sign him in the summer for nothing. Relationships with other GM's go along way.

Can the flames make a trade for him now or do they have to wait until the playoffs are over?

I sure hope any trade would involve Burke being able to work out a deal in principle with the player first.

[Stanathan]

Originally Posted by Hatter

I would agree with you if we were discussing Toews coming out of the NCAA, but I think it's bad precedent when average players like Hayes pull stunts like these.

I understand it's beneficial to the player to pick his spot, but it makes the draft and other NCAA players look bad, potentially hurting draft position for future kids who take that route.

I also realize it is a small percentage of NCAA players who refuse to sign, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility to see more kids deciding on this option.

He is making a pragmatic business decision that is provided for under the CBA, there is nothing wrong with that especially considering he is an "average player". With the Hawks lineup he won't ever make any money.

Also, why is it bad when an average player is doing this and not anyone else? Sounds like a discrimination to me.

[sureLoss]

I think Tallon gives up the assets to get him before August 15th.

Don't think Burke will.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

What I meant was, Feaster would be trying his damndest to include whatever 4th round picks he had at his disposal to make it happen. Not that a fourth on its own would get it done.

He treated those picks like assets more than any other, but to his credit, got some good returns in doing so.

I see what you're saying now... your first post made it sound like it would only be a 4th.

Maybe someone can clear this up - how was the Corban Knight situation different? Is the compensation (54th overall in the case of Hayes) determined by the original draft slot of the player?

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I sure hope any trade would involve Burke being able to work out a deal in principle with the player first.

That makes sense. That's what Feaster did with Knight.