[News] CBC to cut 657 jobs and no longer compete for professional sport rights

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

You swear wrong.

Nope. HNIC made money for CBC but the foundation of the business is billions of dollars of taxpayer money annually to run the channel. Please try and say with any certainty that if the government cut all funding that CBC could still operate and program HNIC.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

CBC radio has always annoyed me to an extent. There's some really dull programs on there and most of everything comes across as from the baby boomer generation's point of view, or generally catered to the middle aged to senior population. While they've been willing to cover just about every and any story, there's always been a level of closed mindedness on a lot of issues that seeps through because of that. The comedy programs on the weekends can be entertaining.. the debaters, I think it's called? That's a good one. But generally I'm not a big fan. More concerned about the implications on CBC sports, that while I can't stand a couple of the personalities, they generally put out some great programs and the production quality is top notch (looking at you, SN..).

It was hilarious though. I remember one time they followed-up an interview with Canadian icon Leonard Cohen with a story about a woman from Newfoundland who makes clothes for cats.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nope. HNIC made money for CBC but the foundation of the business is billions of dollars of taxpayer money annually to run the channel. Please try and say with any certainty that if the government cut all funding that CBC could still operate and program HNIC.

Nice edit on your post. You said taxpayers foot the bill for HNIC. I say there was no bill, it had a net return to tax payers.

Now whether you have a problem with the CBC itself is another issue. But it didn't foot any "bill" to broadcast HNIC.

Infact the net revenue generated from HNIC cross subsidized other CBC operations meaning that had the CBC had the same broadcasting schedule but without HNIC it would have had a larger burden on tax payers.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Nice edit on your post. You said taxpayers foot the bill for HNIC. I say there was no bill, it had a net return to tax payers.

Now whether you have a problem with the CBC itself is another issue. But it didn't foot any "bill" to broadcast HNIC.

Infact the net revenue generated from HNIC cross subsidized other CBC operations meaning that had the CBC had the same broadcasting schedule but without HNIC it would have had a larger burden on tax payers.

My edit was before I read your post FYI. It's not actually a fact because only CBC knows how they were using money and allocating it seeing they won't disclose their books to the government. Revenue is great but what's the real profit after expenses and cash outflow? We never know because CBC never tells us how money is used within the company.

Like I said before HNIC makes money but who do you think paid for all their equipment that makes it so they can telecast all these games. The common denominator is that none of it is possible without taxpayer money as it's the foundation of CBC. Arguing against this is silly.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

To save cbc I think you have to kill the main tv network. Make CBC Newsworld the main station and stick to news. Let CTV and specialty channels develop Canadian shows and assume the risk. When you have jeopardy, wheel of fortune and coronation street as the top programs on a network that is supposed to deliver and promote Canadian content, there's a problem.

Have to keep radio but maybe you don't need radio one and two. Don't get me wrong I would like both but is funding there? Maybe you kill radio three and the online stuff in order to save one and two.

I question the allocation of funding. 400k plus for McLean and 800k for Cherry? Maybe they need to look at their payscales as the reason why they are always in crisis.

They would do the bare minimum. How many Canadian shows does CTV air in primetime? They basically just jam that etalk show in at 7pm each day to meet the Canadian content requirements. I'm pretty sure they just have Motive and that new Dave Foley comedy (I'm assuming that is Canadian).

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

My edit was before I read your post FYI. It's not actually a fact because only CBC knows how they were using money and allocating it seeing they won't disclose their books to the government. Revenue is great but what's the real profit after expenses and cash outflow? We never know because CBC never tells us how money is used within the company.

Like I said before HNIC makes money but who do you think paid for all their equipment that makes it so they can telecast all these games. The common denominator is that none of it is possible without taxpayer money as it's the foundation of CBC. Arguing against this is silly.

They don't?
Because I'm pretty sure this is a detailed report with a breakdown of all expenditures and revenue, readily available on CBC's website for any taxpayer to have a peak at:
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/site/...-2012-2013.pdf

(I'm just being facetious when I say "pretty sure," because I'm actually 100% positive that's what it is)

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by kremb

and that stupid PBS that has other people saying things I don't agree with too.

PBS is mostly funded by private donations and grants. CBC is funded by all Canadian tax payers.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They would do the bare minimum. How many Canadian shows does CTV air in primetime? They basically just jam that etalk show in at 7pm each day to meet the Canadian content requirements. I'm pretty sure they just have Motive and that new Dave Foley comedy (I'm assuming that is Canadian).

Corner Gas was a hit because it was good TV. Butt flopped with his follow up series, hiccups.

Nothing wrong with the bare minimum if it is good TV. Quality over quantity, which appears to run contrary with the current Canadian programming on CBC. Last good show I remember on there was North of 60, nothing since of interest. Lots of half baked shows since then which can't seem to attract flies.

Newsworld could continue run Doc Zone and The Fifth Estate, which is good programming and relevant.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

PBS is mostly funded by private donations and grants. CBC is funded by all Canadian tax payers.

PBS affiliates not located in major cities receive in some cases almost half of their funding from the federal government.

In cities like Boston, WGBH probably receives less than 15% of it's funding from Federal grants.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by strombad

They don't?
Because I'm pretty sure this is a detailed report with a breakdown of all expenditures and revenue, readily available on CBC's website for any taxpayer to have a peak at:
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/site/...-2012-2013.pdf

(I'm just being facetious when I say "pretty sure," because I'm actually 100% positive that's what it is)

That is a good report.

What it clearly shows is that 64.1% of it's funding comes from the federal government. They produce some quality stuff but if they had to make it on their own cable fees/advertising etc., they would have folded years ago.

[RedCoffee]

if CBC just does Olympics and World Cup then that is fine.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

PBS is mostly funded by private donations and grants. CBC is funded by all Canadian tax payers.

No viewers like you, if I recall correctly.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No viewers like you, if I recall correctly.

What about me?

[dustygoon]

CBC has been coping with a loss of $115 million in federal government funding over three years that was announced in the 2012 federal budget

Drop in the bucket.

You can say you don't like funding it on principal, but being pragmatic, that is not a lot of money. I live in the US now, so I don't get much CBC, but my problem with the CBC way back was that I didn't like the programming and obvious political skew.

[Fire]

It's time for the government to sell off all their CBC assets. No need for a state run station these days.

[hwy19man]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

The only reason they kept afloat all these years. The Leafs pay the bills.

The Habs pay the bills too and the Canucks for the second game of the doubleheader.

[hwy19man]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I could have sworn taxpayers were footing the money for the bills. HNIC was pretty successful in the 80's when Ballard's Leafs were but a footnote and the Flames were bombing them 8-1. The thing is that the could televise every Saturday Night Leafs game and still get the same amount of viewers and advertising dollars but they went a step further in making every Coaches Corner into "Cherry, Ron, and the Leafs". Leafs this, Leafs that. They went way overboard and like I said I feel bad for the regular people that will lose their jobs but I don't feel sorry for HNIC or CBC at all as they turned a national program into a Toronto program and destroyed it in the process.

The Habs were on more often nationally when the Leafs stunk it up. Coaches Corner was Cherry and the Leafs for six years before MacLean took over from Hodge. Hodge kept Cherry in check.

[Julio]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nope. HNIC made money for CBC but the foundation of the business is billions of dollars of taxpayer money annually to run the channel.

Not even one billion a year, and that runs a number of 'channels'.

[six pack]

Speaking of revenues from sports I wonder how this influences the cfl in the long run?

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[CliffFletcher]

The Toronto bias of HNiC was smart business. Maximize viewers, maximize revenue. If their broadcast model didn't maximize viewership and revenue, it would have been worse for taxpayers.

Any national hockey broadcaster is going to have a huge southern Ontario bias. Just look at the Toronto Sports Network.