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formulate · 04-02-2014, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NomNomNom

Sitting 4th is nice, but I feel Burke will draft Ritchie regardless of our position; given he's still on the board.

Burke drafted Kadri (2009) when Zack Kassian was still on the board.
While not a perfect comparison, I can't see him taking Ritchie if, say, Sam Bennett is still available.

Calgary4LIfe · 04-02-2014, 01:03 AM

Well, I personally haven't seen enough of Ritchie. However, some scouting services have been hyping him up as a potential 'best player of the draft'.

If Burke Drafts Ritchie in the top 4, I will be slightly upset, but it does seem like there is loads of reason to be hyped about this kid. This is NOT Kassian 2.0. Ritchie is bigger, faster and has produced much more than Kassian has in junior in their draft years.

Kassian was known to be 'slow' both in skating and mental functioning. Ritchie is 'quick' and 'agile', and has hockey IQ. Aside from the size and physicality, they sound like completely different players to me.

I think as long as Burke trusts Button, I will trust the pick. I think the Flames have been drafting well now. I will be disappointed at first if a top 4 or 5 player is passed over, but the Flames are not the Edmonton Oilers and will draft who they think is the BPA, not what TSN or the Hockey News say it is.

I think their drafting has come a long ways, so they will get the benefit of the doubt from me unless it is a player that is completely surprising to me (like a guy ranked in the middle of the round whom I can't figure out exactly why they were high on him).

formulate · 04-02-2014, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Well, I personally haven't seen enough of Ritchie. However, some scouting services have been hyping him up as a potential 'best player of the draft'.

If Burke Drafts Ritchie in the top 4, I will be slightly upset, but it does seem like there is loads of reason to be hyped about this kid. This is NOT Kassian 2.0. Ritchie is bigger, faster and has produced much more than Kassian has in junior in their draft years.

Kassian was known to be 'slow' both in skating and mental functioning. Ritchie is 'quick' and 'agile', and has hockey IQ. Aside from the size and physicality, they sound like completely different players to me.

I think as long as Burke trusts Button, I will trust the pick. I think the Flames have been drafting well now. I will be disappointed at first if a top 4 or 5 player is passed over, but the Flames are not the Edmonton Oilers and will draft who they think is the BPA, not what TSN or the Hockey News say it is.

I think their drafting has come a long ways, so they will get the benefit of the doubt from me unless it is a player that is completely surprising to me (like a guy ranked in the middle of the round whom I can't figure out exactly why they were high on him).

I agree that Kassian and Ritchie aren't the same player, and I do like Ritchie as a prospect.
Ritchie isn't Kassian, but Bennett also isn't Kadri.
All I'm saying is Burke has proven not to be so blinded by size and truculence to pass up a better prospect.

Apologies for derailing the thread, will move to a draft thread.

Flames89 · 04-02-2014, 05:15 AM

Went to the game last night. Overall a bit of an ugly game. The tone is Toronto was full of apprehension.
Billins did not look good. Small, slow, and awkward.
Brodie had a tough game on the D side of things

I really believed we would tie it up. Bernier is quite good a controlling the flow of the game. Knows when to cover the puck and slow it down.

clancy · 04-02-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Glencross has been pretty darn good since coming back

Goal called back today but no sign at all of any attitude issues.

Actually thought he was brutal last night..too many brain dead turnovers.

Huntingwhale · 04-02-2014, 08:27 AM

What was with that interview with Burke in the 1st intermission. All those stupid questions about his opinion of Toronto and the Leafs? Nice to see him put her in her place and say he wants to talk about his team now.

Resolute 14 · 04-02-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Flames started playing poorly in the Anaheim game and were really bad against the Rangers. It was only a matter of time before the bad play started turning into losses.

They are trying way too hard to make the pretty play. Go to the net and shoot the fricking puck already.[

Started even before the Anaheim game. They were definitely trying to be too cute in the San Jose game. I noticed it, and worried about the coming losing streak because of the bad habits that were creeping in.

It is, of course, normal ebb and flow of the season. But so late in the year, one doesn't really know if they will pull back out of it, or if it lasts until the final game.

AcGold · 04-02-2014, 10:45 AM

I think its a good lesson to learn. They won through hard work and sticking to the basics. As soon as they start to think they are good they stop working as a team, start to make silly mistakes and try to do it all on their own. Losing out the season wouldn't be the worst thing. Hartley would have them watch every game and analyse all the small mistakes that result in losses

Komskies · 04-02-2014, 10:54 AM

Watching this game did tell me one thing. The Leafs are a really terrible hockey team. It's pretty amazing they have as many points as they do and aren't battling it out in the basement with us.

codynw · 04-02-2014, 10:57 AM

Kessel's line and Bernier have carried that team. Without those two, they're a dumpster fire with the Sabres.

BigFlameDog · 04-02-2014, 02:56 PM

Did anybody see what Dion did or said to pile on those PIMs at the end of the game? I assume he came out of the box and gave it to the ref?

BigTuna · 04-03-2014, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Komskies

Watching this game did tell me one thing. The Leafs are a really terrible hockey team. It's pretty amazing they have as many points as they do and aren't battling it out in the basement with us.

Leafs have far more talent that's why.

nik- · 04-03-2014, 11:07 AM

It's doing them a lot of good.

Resolute 14 · 04-03-2014, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

Leafs have far more talent that's why.

Fair enough. So it is just heart, desire and leadership they lack then, eh?

BigTuna · 04-03-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Fair enough. So it is just heart, desire and leadership they lack then, eh?

Don't forget horrific coaching.

Enoch Root · 04-03-2014, 11:48 AM

that must be some really bad coaching!

BigTuna · 04-04-2014, 12:06 AM

REALLY bad.

dying4acup · 04-04-2014, 12:40 AM

So, did the flames play down to their competition?

Red John · 04-04-2014, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

Leafs have far more talent that's why.

It's actually not surprising that the Leaves suck because they are built the wrong way.

You don't build around one-dimensional wingers and defensively poor defensemen. They have it backwards. When Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf are the two cornerstones of your franchise you're in trouble. Throw in one dimensional guys like Lupul, Kadri and Franson and it's easy to see why Toronto appears to be less than the sum of their parts (just like Calgary 2007-2012).

They're lucky to have a decent goalie in Bernier now but the team in front of him is built all wrong.

It's no wonder Carlyle is having no success. Remember this is a guy who won a Cup in 2007 with a pretty defensive team but he at least had players who were capable of playing without the puck (plus Niedermayer and Pronger on the back end).