The Alison Redford transgressions thread. Update- Redford quits.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Daradon

So I wonder what it would take for people to consider the Liberal Party provincially.

A new party name and leaders that don't suck would be a start.

Beyond that, what Jacks said.

[GP_Matt]

A new leader would be a start. There is something about Raj Sherman that really turns me off.
When he was kicked out of the PC caucus he was interviewed and said that he wanted to be party leader but hadn't decided which party he wanted to lead. (at the time I think the PC, Liberal and Alberta parties were looking for leaders)

His comments about hospitals routinely killing patients due to budget constraints with continued undelivered promises of proof made me think he will say anything to get noticed.

It could also be that I feel like he let me down. I was rooting for him when he made all of the health care claims. The fact that he was a practicing doctor made me respect him a lot more than the career politicians and when he came out with the allegations against Alberta Health for queue jumping and killing patients I thought he had a lot of potential.
Since then he has delivered on none of his promises.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Daradon

So I wonder what it would take for people to consider the Liberal Party provincially.

Lower taxes, pay off the debt, reign in health spending and fire 80% of the AHS fat cat executives and I'll vote for the Libs or any party who promises to do that next time.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Low taxes, pay off the debt, reign in health spending and fire 80% of the AHS fat cat executives and I'll vote for the Libs or any party who promises to do that next time.

Well they're all going to make that promise, or close to it! I guess we can chalk you up as voting for Alison again.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well they're all going to make that promise, or close to it! I guess we can chalk you up as voting for Alison again.

I don't have confidence dear Alison will last that long but I will pray for her for other reasons.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Lower taxes, pay off the debt, reign in health spending and fire 80% of the AHS fat cat executives and I'll vote for the Libs or any party who promises to do that next time.

How does a government, with less revenue coming in, pay off debt while still maintaining the same level of services that is demanded of it?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

How does a government, with less revenue coming in, pay off debt while still maintaining the same level of services that is demanded of it?

By "finding efficiencies" and "cutting waste".

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

How does a government, with less revenue coming in, pay off debt while still maintaining the same level of services that is demanded of it?

We can get rid of the spend and borrow government and elect a true conservative government who can trim the fat and cut unneccessary spendings.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by darklord700

We can get rid of the spend and borrow government and elect a true conservative government who can trim the fat and cut unneccessary spendings.

So just out of curiosity, how do you propose the province fund things like new schools, roads and infrastructure that people demand? I actually think that the province has a bit of a jam here, personally, so I'm quite interested to hear how this can be solved.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by postman56

What part of 80% disapproval does our Madame not understand? Seems like the only 20% were members of her inner cabinet that are too afraid their own squandering will be exposed.!!l
We all know there are loads more smelly travel expenses to come out whether it's her own or any from her close band of crooks. PC's have run a muck too long in this province and these clowns will finally be done in 2015!

She's as delusional as Jean Chretien when he rolled out his whole, every morning I have coffee with this homeless guy story.

Oh yes, all the Albertan's that I've talked to have forgiven me my trespasses and said "There there Alison, its ok you keep the money, we forgive you"

The Alberta PC's have a significant problem, they can't keep Redford, she's broken the faith too many times and she looks incompetent or dishonest on the budget.

But they can't fire her before the election because it will bring into question the stability of her party, on top of that every one of her successors has come across as a big giant boob, and not a good one.

When the election happens, it will probably be the first time in a long time that I have to be wide open to anything.

So listen up whacky parties like the Yogic Flyers, or the Marijuana party or he marxist leninist party, you can have my vote, just start the bribbin

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

She's as delusional as Jean Chretien when he rolled out his whole, every morning I have coffee with this homeless guy story.

Oh yes, all the Albertan's that I've talked to have forgiven me my trespasses and said "There there Alison, its ok you keep the money, we forgive you"

The Alberta PC's have a significant problem, they can't keep Redford, she's broken the faith too many times and she looks incompetent or dishonest on the budget.

But they can't fire her before the election because it will bring into question the stability of her party, on top of that every one of her successors has come across as a big giant boob, and not a good one.

When the election happens, it will probably be the first time in a long time that I have to be wide open to anything.

So listen up whacky parties like the Yogic Flyers, or the Marijuana party or he marxist leninist party, you can have my vote, just start the bribbin

Regarding that bolded part, I don't believe that for a second. They could easily replace her with someone more credible and the party could win the next campaign. The reality is that things are pretty good in Alberta. We have a good economy, people are working and life is good. That generally bodes well for a sitting government.

Let me propose this; say the PCs turfed her and Ted Morton was elected leader or Jim Dinning, or Jim Prentice. How do you think that the party would fare in the next campaign? Not saying that these individuals would dive in, but in all honesty there are qualified, respected people who could come in and right the ship.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Slava

So just out of curiosity, how do you propose the province fund things like new schools, roads and infrastructure that people demand?

I don't know because I'm not a politician and I don't know how much a new school could cost.

All I know is seeing how Redford managing expenses and fudge budget numbers, I wouldn't trust her to manage my lunch money let alone a $40B AB budget.

Case in point, Redford must know that a 1st class plane ticket from SA to Calgary costs big bucks. Giving there's an almost free alternative of hitchking with Harper, she still chose to fly first class. Either she's ignorant of the costs or she didn't care about frivolous spending.

It's small dollars comparing to the $40B budget but if she can't manage small dollars, she can't manage $40B as well.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

By "finding efficiencies" and "cutting waste".

I love that not three minutes after I wrote this sarcastic comment, darklord700 wrote essentially the same thing only he was being completely serious.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I love that not three minutes after I wrote this sarcastic comment, darklord700 wrote essentially the same thing only he was being completely serious.

And all anyone has to do to get that vote is repeat that phrase.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I love that not three minutes after I wrote this sarcastic comment, darklord700 wrote essentially the same thing only he was being completely serious.

I love how you are totally serious that there is absolutely no waste or inefficiency in the government.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by Slava

Regarding that bolded part, I don't believe that for a second. They could easily replace her with someone more credible and the party could win the next campaign. The reality is that things are pretty good in Alberta. We have a good economy, people are working and life is good. That generally bodes well for a sitting government.

Let me propose this; say the PCs turfed her and Ted Morton was elected leader or Jim Dinning, or Jim Prentice. How do you think that the party would fare in the next campaign? Not saying that these individuals would dive in, but in all honesty there are qualified, respected people who could come in and right the ship.

I may not like it, but if the economy stays on the upward track and the PCs find a solid leader they will be really hard to beat in the next election.

I have done some door knocking for campaigns and am pretty sure that when things are going well in Alberta most people simply do not care who the leader is unless they actively dislike their leader.

That said, my guess for replacement is Thomas Lukaszuk who comes off as capable but polarizing.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

I love how you are totally serious that there is absolutely no waste or inefficiency in the government.

Please quote any post on this forum where I said, "there is absolutely no waste or inefficiency in the government".

If you fail in that task, please quote the post where I even inferred that message.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

By "finding efficiencies" and "cutting waste".

While I realize you are being sarcastic, you cannot deny that the bloated civil service in the province is leading to a great deal of inefficient spending. Per capita provincial spending in Alberta is the highest of any province other than basket-case Newfoundland, and even when you deduct capital spending (on much needed infrastructure) it's still too high given the lower levels of service we receive in comparison to other provinces.

Unfortunately I have little confidence in any government to effectively streamline government operations, but I think it's become apparent that financial management is not Ms. Redford's strong suit.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I have done some door knocking for campaigns and am pretty sure that when things are going well in Alberta most people simply do not care who the leader is unless they actively dislike their leader.

That said, my guess for replacement is Thomas Lukaszuk who comes off as capable but polarizing.

Agreed. That's why it is hard to dethrone PC for the last 40 years for AB had done fine economically for the most part. The introduction of PST will be the only PC death knell. Other than that, an immigrant from Nova Scotia who has no intention of staying in AB for the long term won't even care about high debt numbers, it was way higher back home anyway.

Voters' personal dislike of Redford is WR's only card of dethroning PC in 2 years. And that's why, funny as it may sound, WR must find a way to keep Redford in the premier's office over the next two years.

[FLAMESRULE]

I really don't understand the lower taxes argument by people in this province. We pay 10%. How much lower do people expect it go without SERIOUSLY impacting the things that in the next breath you bitch about?? Less taxes = fewer nurses, no highways, more debt, and simply passes the buck to the next generation to figure out (I'm 34). If anything this province needs higher taxes because with the O+G windfalls we still can't figure out how to balance a ####ing budget. Gross incompetence doesnt quite cut it.

Sure we bitch about Redford wasting tens of thousands and how government is inefficient. I hate it as much as the next guy, but I do believe it's small potatoes. edit: to clarify, the efficiencies lost by the government are no worse than any very large company(CNRL/Suncor, etc.). We absolutely need to keep our politicians honest and accountable.

I can't stand the PC's in this province and don't know who to vote for. Maybe someone with an accounting degree that isn't a social right wing zealot.