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strombad · 02-26-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Value of Hudler in Calgary > Value of Hudler elsewhere

enough said.

And conversely I'm inclined to believe that the value of Cammy on a contender > the value of Cammy in Calgary.

It's really best for both players if Cammy goes and Hudler stays.

Tinordi · 02-26-2014, 10:28 AM

Yeah, so if Cammalleri gets you a late 1st rounder in a weak draft versus Hudler getting you potentially a guy like Brodin (who I'm just picking out of thin air and have no idea if that's realistic or not) then I'd trade Hudler honestly.

JiriHrdina · 02-26-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I have the same feeling to be honest. Just doesn't seem like a Burke player.

This is just my feeling but I think he isn't the type of guy that you want around for a re-build. And I think the organization, now led by Burke, knows that.

I think they wished that Hudler was the pending UFA and that Cammy was signed. So they are trying to do just that. Sign Cammy so he's the one to stick around deal Hudler, potentially for better value than Cammy will net.

Bourque's Twin · 02-26-2014, 10:41 AM

I don't think Hudler's value is that much higher than Cammalleri's. I certainly think the difference between each player's return is not big enough to trade Hudler over Cammalleri. It's not like Cammalleri fetches a 2nd and Hudler a mid 1st.

Lanny_McDonald · 02-26-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

This is just my feeling but I think he isn't the type of guy that you want around for a re-build. And I think the organization, now led by Burke, knows that.

I think they wished that Hudler was the pending UFA and that Cammy was signed. So they are trying to do just that. Sign Cammy so he's the one to stick around deal Hudler, potentially for better value than Cammy will net.

I'm curious what leads you to that conclusion? Is it leadership? Cammalleri shows none of that. Hudler took our top prospect in and took him under his wing to get him acclimated to being a pro. It can't be because of Cammy's strong two way game. Cammy is a team leading -22 while Hudler is third best at +1. Where is Cammalleri, the current player, worth re-signing and dumping Hudler?

troutman · 02-26-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HOWITZER

From the first article -

I think the writing is on the wall for Hartley. It seems he has the blessing of Burke to get the team to the "running" phase. But I doubt sincerely he's the man for the sprint phase. But at least the man is secure for the time being. Though I don't like some of his in-game decisions, he is seemingly relentless in game preparation and training. Good stuff for early on in the rebuild.

If Hartley makes it to the "sprint" phase, I'm sure he will be given a decent chance to coach that team too.

ForeverFlameFan · 02-26-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hudler isn't going to be around when the Flames are competitive, sure (or at least won't be as good). But that doesn't mean he should be traded now.

I think that only one of Hudler or Cammalleri should be traded right now, and of course the answer is whatever makes sense, with respect to the return.

But it seems the most sensible path is to move Cammalleri this year and look to move Hudler next year - his value should be about the same.

Don't be surprised if we extend Hudler when his contract is up... I am guessing a 2 year, 10m deal.

Gary83 · 02-26-2014, 11:03 AM

You could throw in Brodie and Minnesota still won't make that trade.

hummdeedoo · 02-26-2014, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by strombad

And conversely I'm inclined to believe that the value of Cammy on a contender > the value of Cammy in Calgary.

It's really best for both players if Cammy goes and Hudler stays.

I agree. Plus my impression of Cammy is that he is a faster depreciating asset than Hudler. If you were to keep one than I would say Hudler.

icecube · 02-26-2014, 11:32 AM

They could both be gone for all we know. It's not like someone wouldn't be coming back to fill at least one of their spots if it were to happen.

puds · 02-26-2014, 11:34 AM

How do you know Cammi isn't a good leader? Why does he have an A?

He is a good pro. I don't see how Hudler's value to the organization is greater than Cammi's while we are rebuilding. Hudler may put up 10-15 points per season but both players are capable of mentoring and playing sheltering minutes through the rebuild. If you can land a player that will be with after the rebuild then go for it. Hudler is 30, will likely become redundant in the orginization with Baertschi or Gaudreau making the step in the next couple of seasons and is having the best season of his career.

The article also says a hockey trade ie not Hudler for a pick. More likely a roster player or an NHL quality player who can't crack a roster due to depth.

Cammi is more likely to be traded for a pick.

dino7c · 02-26-2014, 11:34 AM

Flames need to make any deal that helps the franchise moving forward...this sentimental crap is what got us in this situation in the first place

anyone should be available for the right price, if Hudler is gonna bring a massive return do it

Poe969 · 02-26-2014, 11:45 AM

the return both cammy and hudler bring is worth more to the future of the flames then what they're worth right now.

cammy and hudlers value is more to flames fans then to anyone.

H2SO4(aq) · 02-26-2014, 11:54 AM

Here's a crazy idea. Trade Hudler for a bigger body but also someone who can put up some points. Trade Cammi for prospects/picks either now or to move up at the draft.

I dont really see either as being a major part of the future.

dammage79 · 02-26-2014, 12:01 PM

So scrap the entire roster that's built a solid foundation inside the lockeroom for draft picks and unknown quantities. Got it.

Sentimental crap or not there's a good thing growing in the Flames locker room and simply pulling the plug and shipping off all the vets because they could get a better return than the rentals they have for sale is a good idea.

Honestly, Hudler should not be traded. I mean, if you could land someone like Logan Couture or Mike Richards Sure, but Hudler isn't getting those kind of players back in a trade. His value to this team is higher than his actual trade value.

It's not always about assets but keeping the attitude in locker room high as well.

Suave · 02-26-2014, 12:09 PM

I know we have talked a lot about Cammalleri to the Kings but I think Hudler would be a better fit. They already have enough big bodies and guys who can put the puck in the net but are missing guys who creates offense. If Cammalleri can't get Toffoli maybe Hudler can.

Jacks · 02-26-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

anyone should be available for the right price, if Hudler is gonna bring a massive return do it

I think the problem is that everyone has a different idea of what a "massive return" is.

Fire · 02-26-2014, 12:10 PM

If Hudler is traded it better be for a high end prospect.

Bend it like Bourgeois · 02-26-2014, 12:14 PM

I think it's a big leap from conversations about a 'hockey trade' to hudler.

Westgarth was a hockey trade. It needn't be any bigger than that. Burke might have been talking about moving SOB.

Hudler is the teams best forward probably by a lot, on a good contract.

Anything is possible though

Old Yeller · 02-26-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave

If Cammalleri can't get Toffoli maybe Hudler can.

I know you're just spitballing and I'd love it if the Flames got Toffoli from the Kings, but both Cammy and Hudler don't get that done.

AHL rookie of the year last year and as many points in the NHL as Monahan has in a couple fewer games... granted he's 2 years older but probably just as valuable to the Kings as we think Monahan is to the Flames.