Yzerman will not be Canada GM again

[Stanley]

I dunno, maybe it's just me but I've always thought of MSL as a whiner with a sense of entitlement, regardless of whether these rumours are true or not...

[strombad]

Originally Posted by timbit

"Crosby was weak or out of place the whole tournament". Vilzeh

Overreaction?

Can't say I ever really noticed him in most of the games. Seems like a logically plausible critique.

He certainly wasn't the single handed dominator that Enoch suggested., at least vilzeh gave Crosby credit for being a gamer.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You claimed he was weak and out of position the whole tournament and then you down-played his goal. Don't hide behind semantics now.

That wasn't my intention, I just meant that Crosby never rose to the level I expected him to raise to.

I'm not down-playing his goal at all, don't get me wrong in any way, I actually rooted for Canada to win it, I'm glad they did, it was an awesome goal and my "pro" comment actually was not meant to be "hockey professional" it was meant to mean: He's one of the best players in the game and he did what a good player does in these big games.

You're overreacting way too much tbh, but that's normal because you can't see my tone when I'm writing it.

Just saying that Canada played a perfect tournament as a TEAM. They didn't have any single players who dominated the entire tournament.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

Crosby was weak or out of place the whole tournament

Originally Posted by vilzeh

That wasn't my intention, I just meant that Crosby never rose to the level I expected him to raise to.

Originally Posted by vilzeh

You're overreacting way too much tbh, but that's normal because you can't see my tone when I'm writing it.

Tone = Green Font?

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I dunno, maybe it's just me but I've always thought of MSL as a whiner with a sense of entitlement, regardless of whether these rumours are true or not...

Seem to recall he wasn't a very classy winner in 2004 either. He had short-man syndrome over the Flames letting him go and made sure to let everyone know about it after he won the Cup.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

...Just saying that Canada played a perfect tournament as a TEAM. They didn't have any single players who dominated the entire tournament.

Well, you're not saying it very well, that's for sure. It is one thing to credit the team for playing a great game, and it is entirely another to misconstrue the quality and effectiveness of that team approach for a lack of effort from one or a group of players from the group. Canada did not have any single players who noticeably dominated, but I can't really find anything wrong with how any single player played for most of the tournament.

The were all, really, really good. So much so, that it is difficult to isolate many performances as having stood out from the rest.

[vilzeh]

oh my god, how literally you guys are taking everything. We were talking about MSL, my first comment was meant to just show how bad he actually didn't play, as some guys are suggesting.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Tone = Green Font?

No, more like a casual tone when ---"saying"--- it.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

No, more like a casual tone when ---"saying"--- it.

Right.

You said Crosby was out of place the whole tournament.

You couldn't have been more wrong, whatever your tone was outside of sarcasm.

[vilzeh]

Yeah, because Crosby was the powerhouse everyone expected him to be, right, right? NO.

[strombad]

The fact of the matter is, that comparative to other players, no, Crosby did not look out of place. Compared to his own ability? Absolutely.

Same with Rick Nash. He didn't look overly amazing compared to other guys, but he was great if you're comparing him to his own play this past season or two.

Some of the top guys were pretty average, and some of the bottom guys stepped it up. Everyone played a great team game.

[vilzeh]

Mostly my point. Also I don't understand the hate on MSL and the love for Crosby. Seriously, I saw MSL more on the games I watched than Crosby. If someone says Crosby played a great tournament, they are dreaming, they juggled his line all the time, but because he is Crosby, you can't call him bad, not even by an accident or you will get his butthurt fan boys to back him up.

ps: I actually like Crosby, liked him since he joined the league, I just didn't think he played up to his standards, SORRY for the debate.

[Northendzone]

so is it safe to say that a crosby who did not play well, was still better than some of the other guys on the team?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

so is it safe to say that a crosby who did not play well, was still better than some of the other guys on the team?

Absolutely.

[Vulcan]

The way I look at it is, Crosby sacrificed some of his offensive stats for a team game, much like Yzerman did for Detroit at the end of his career. If Canada trailed in any games, you might have seen him open up a little more but Canada never trailed in any games.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The way I look at it is, Crosby sacrificed some of his offensive stats for a team game, much like Yzerman did for Detroit at the end of his career. If Canada trailed in any games, you might have seen him open up a little more but Canada never trailed in any games.

That team was unique and dominating when it counted.

Everybody put away their egos and did anything and everything to accomplish the task of winning.

Committed to all the little things that it takes to be a great team.

Nobody at forward looked great but everybody looked good.

As consistent and strong a performance as you will ever see from a collection of top players.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The way I look at it is, Crosby sacrificed some of his offensive stats for a team game, much like Yzerman did for Detroit at the end of his career. If Canada trailed in any games, you might have seen him open up a little more but Canada never trailed in any games.

I don't think he sacrificed his offensive game. Him and his line just had no finish, they were trying, they were just snake bitten and the juggling of linemates for him didn't give him any consistency.

When I watched Crosby play it was more him not being familiar with his line, and he just appeared to be out of place. He looked fine with Kunitz, but Kunitz didn't do much so it just trickled down the line.

MSL played well when I watched him. Hard to believe the pouting, but I don't know him, so don't really want to speculate on whether or not it's true.

[Northendzone]

So we won gold and we are squaking about goal scoring......if TC would have score 150 goals in the tournament would we be mad because guys did not land a quad toe before scoring? Or would we have been disappointed in that the other team actually crossed Center ice with the puck?

This is crazy......

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Oh god, can't we all just agree that Canada is awesome, Sweden sucks, America sucks, and all 144 million Russians can all go blow themselves because we're the best?

Do we really need to squabble amongst ourselves?

[V]

Of course MSL has a chip on his shoulder. Undrafted, small, given up on, and he still proves everyone wrong. I'd be shocked if he acted any other way.