Cammy and flames talking extension

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

So basically these insiders are taking both sides of the fence so they can't say, "we were right" when one of the two options materialize.

Oh Sportsnet.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

So basically these insiders are taking both sides of the fence so they can't say, "we were right" when one of the two options materialize.

Yeah. They might sign him but if not, they'll trade him is Eklundspeak.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

These "insiders" aren't much better than ecklund, but I could see Burke talking to Cammy. Cammy is an asset. If he thinks he can sign him for a below-market number (No NTC), it might be worth it. If Cammy is asking for the moon, it becomes more clear that he is a rental at the deadline and it seems that Burke's style would be to straight up tell him that they will move him if they can. Still seems most likely that he will be traded as a rental.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

When was the last time a sign and trade occurred in the NHL? It doesn't happen.

Jeff Carter may be the closest thing, and it wasn't directly afterwards.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I guess there are a few example of NHL sign-and-trades, but really, that is an NBA term. The original team is able to offer more money/term than any other team. That advantage doesn't apply to the NHL.

[AltaGuy]

There's a big difference in approaching the market for Cammalleri's services if you know he will sign an extension versus if you know he won't. Prudent to approach him first, so you know whether you HAVE to deal him. Seems simple to me.

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I guess there are a few example of NHL sign-and-trades, but really, that is an NBA term. The original team is able to offer more money/term than any other team. That advantage doesn't apply to the NHL.

I thought the new CBA allowed longer term when signing with a current team rather than a new one?

Not that it should apply in Cammy's case as I don't see a team wanting him for max term.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Was a healthy scratch on Saturday night.

Only 6 goals this year too.

I am not a fan of Feaster, but moving Bourque was one of this best moves.

Yeah it was a great trade for the Flames. Heck Feaster could have got a bag of pucks back for Bourque and it would have been a steal as getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah it was a great trade for the Flames. Heck Feaster could have got a bag of pucks back for Bourque and it would have been a steal as getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.

Yep - the fact that we have a goalie out of it who is performing much better than I thought he would in Ramo is certainly a nice bonus as well.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I like Roger Millions, good host, good interview but he's never been much of an insider. Ditto for the Edmonton guys. Hell, Roger had Cammaleri asking for a trade in the summer.

I think Roger has some legitimate sources, but he doesn't have access to the depth that guys like Friedman or Mackenzie have, as a result, he does want to try to promote his own brand, so he will throw out some information that would not have undergone as much scurtiny as others.

Friedman has had a pretty strong rise to the top in Hockey for a guy who was covering basketball not so long ago. He's blown past other guys who have been a part of the business for a lot longer.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah it was a great trade for the Flames. Heck Feaster could have got a bag of pucks back for Bourque and it would have been a steal as getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.

Bourque still had some decent value before he was traded. I think it is still up for debate whether or not we could have gotten something better.

That 2nd rounder hurt us a lot and Holland still can.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Rubicant

I thought the new CBA allowed longer term when signing with a current team rather than a new one?

Not that it should apply in Cammy's case as I don't see a team wanting him for max term.

I'll have to defer to our CBA expert friends on that one. Not a huge NBA fan or anything, but I think the advantage there is an extra year and something in the 20 million range, which is obviously huge.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Bourque still had some decent value before he was traded. I think it is still up for debate whether or not we could have gotten something better.

That 2nd rounder hurt us a lot and Holland still can.

IMO Cammalleri has much more value than Bourque and the 2nd rounder was for Ramo which isn't a bad price for a 1B/backup goaltender. I don't think Holland was going to be a difference maker for this organization as few Flames prospects seem to make the leap. Even Sven is struggling hard.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO Cammalleri has much more value than Bourque and the 2nd rounder was for Ramo which isn't a bad price for a 1B/backup goaltender. I don't think Holland was going to be a difference maker for this organization as few Flames prospects seem to make the leap. Even Sven is struggling hard.

I really wonder about that..

Look at the Bernier, Bishop, Scrivins (EDM) and Mason deals. Those 4 deals right now seem like a better value for the teams getting the goalie than the Ramo one to Calgary. Between Ramo and Berra, Calgary appears to have given up quite a bit of leverage in trades and it doesn't look like either of them will be the long term solution.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I really wonder about that..

Look at the Bernier, Bishop, Scrivins (EDM) and Mason deals. Those 4 deals right now seem like a better value for the teams getting the goalie than the Ramo one to Calgary. Between Ramo and Berra, Calgary appears to have given up quite a bit of leverage in trades and it doesn't look like either of them will be the long term solution.

I don't know. I don't like to devalue 2nd round picks but they are regularly used as trade currency (Kings gave up two for Robyn Regehr) and at the time I expect Feaster was hoping Ramo could become starter material. Like Burke said in that other thread you have to go for it and if you think a guy can be a starter a 2nd round pick is a small price. Hindsight is 20/20 of course and we can see Ramo is probably better suited for a backup but I don't see that as a disaster or anything and Bourque was becoming a cancer that the team needed to address and if Cammalleri fetches a 1st round pick it easily cancels out the 2nd given up in that deal.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I would say the 2nd wasn't directly for Ramo either, likely a bit of that value is for the upgrade to Cammy from Bourque.

Holland is likely a non-factor. Decent prospect but has not produced at the AHL level yet.

[Hackey]

I think Burke is just doing his due dilligence. Doesn't hurt to see what Cammalleris plans and demands are. At least he made an attempt. I'm sure Cammy is asking for a lot and I'm sure Burke plans on dealing him at the deadline.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I am not a fan of Feaster, but moving Bourque was one of this best moves.

Exactly why he was fired. One of his best moves was an average trade at best.

[Flash Walken]

Losing that second rounder hurts.

The trade isn't bad necessarily as bourque has really collapsed as an effective point producer, but there is no way Calgary should have been giving up picks for anyone at that point, especially not in a situation where they are trying to make one last kick at the can.

[Ashasx]

14 hours after SN tells us Burke is looking to re-sign Cammalleri:

@RogMillions
Speaking of Cammalleri some think. #Coyotes might be an interesting place for him to go #Flames want to deal him.