Let's play Keep or Dump

[TheGrimm]

Dump for a bag of pucks:

• SOB
• Macdonald

Dump if something half decent comes back:

• Butler
• Berra
• B. Jones
• D. Jones
• Smith

Trade only for a good deal:

• Cammalari
• Stempniak
• Backlund

Keep:

• Baertschi
• Monahan
• Hudler
• Wideman
• Russell
• Giordano
• Stajan

Everyone else I don't care much one way or another (not accounting for prospects at all in my list)

[TheDebaser]

What do you guys think Wideman could fetch at the deadline?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

What do you guys think Wideman could fetch at the deadline?

2nd and a "b" level prospect maybe.

[moon]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

What do you guys think Wideman could fetch at the deadline?

Nothing

Too much money/term left and he can't play top 4 minutes for a play-off team.

Maybe we get a pick if we take back someone else's bad deal.

[Parallex]

Keep:
- Monahan
- Baertschi
- Backlund
- Giordano
- Brodie
- Smid
- Hudler
- Bouma
- Colborne
- Russell
- Wideman
- Galiardi
- Ramo

Move:
- Glencross
- Stempniak
- Cammalleri
- David Jones (in a real world scenario I might keep him to help make the cap floor and because there is a lack of RW's in the Org. as a whole)
- Blair Jones
- Stajan
- Butler
- SOB
- Berra
- Breen
- Byron
- Burke
- Hartley
- Smith
- McGrattan
- MacDonald

[kyuss275]

Only untouchable for me is Monahan. There are some players like Sven, Brodie and Gio that would need to be over the top return. After that i don't care, they can all go.

There are certainly players that i would love gone, but no chance they are going anywhere because of contract. D jones and SOB are in that group.

For this trade deadline i would like to see Stempniak, Cammi, Stajan and Butler gone. After that, dpending on what the returns are and free agency in the summer, i will decide on the rest.

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by moon

Nothing

Too much money/term left and he can't play top 4 minutes for a play-off team.

Maybe we get a pick if we take back someone else's bad deal.

I think the biggest problem with Wideman is just how high up he is on our depth chart. It's more a reflection of the state of our rebuild than his play. I like him as a #4 guy with PP time. Not so much as the #1 guy that he was forced into playing before he was injured.

I wouldn't trade him for no other reason than guys like him are hard to find and we can afford to overpay him a bit.

[Timbo]

Unsatisfied fans feel free to "dump' your tickets I will "keep" them.

Keep for the time being
- Monahan
- Giordano
- Brodie
- Hudler
- Bouma
- McGrattan
- Colbourne
- Backlund

Trade or package for good return
- Cammalleri
- Wideman
- Glencross
- Russell
- Galiardi
- Ramo
- Stajan
- Smid

Dump
- Stempniak
- Butler
- SOB
- Berra
- Breen
- David Jones
- Blair Jones
- Smith
- Galiardi

Develop
- Baertschi
- Byron

[IgiTang]

I don't understand why people hate SOB so much. I think he can actually skate, Not slow at all.. When hes out and the team is in the O-zone, he makes plays. He hits harder than any other Dman we have and can actually move guys from the front of our net. I like him...

Paul Byron could easily turn out to be another Martin St.Louis type player, and don't give me the... No way he could do that and im out to lunch. No one thought St.Louis would turn into the player he is now, when he was with the Flames.

Stemp's is snake bitten right now and if he was still putting up points, no one would look at his minus.. I think he could help a playoff team and we could get a 3rd back for him.

But like someone said earlier... Older than Backlund, move. Younger, keep. I agree to an extent. We have some solid guys on this roster and some seriously untapped talent.

I don't think we should be dumping ANY yout's this season. Bring them all to camp with Johnny G, Porier, and Klimchuck in the off season and watch the likes of Colborne, Backlund, Knight, Gaudreau, Ferland, Byron, Baertschi, Granlund, Arnold, Agostino, Hanowski, and our D-prospects.. which there is depth there too... and watch them all battle it out.

Then start making the tough decisions. But for the time being, add assets and reduce heavy contracts.. It doesn't matter what we add at this moment, the kids need to play and get experience. Let them grow together.

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I don't understand why people hate SOB so much. I think he can actually skate, Not slow at all.. When hes out and the team is in the O-zone, he makes plays. He hits harder than any other Dman we have and can actually move guys from the front of our net. I like him...

Paul Byron could easily turn out to be another Martin St.Louis type player, and don't give me the... No way he could do that and im out to lunch. No one thought St.Louis would turn into the player he is now, when he was with the Flames.

Stemp's is snake bitten right now and if he was still putting up points, no one would look at his minus.. I think he could help a playoff team and we could get a 3rd back for him.

But like someone said earlier... Older than Backlund, move. Younger, keep. I agree to an extent. We have some solid guys on this roster and some seriously untapped talent.

I don't think we should be dumping ANY yout's this season. Bring them all to camp with Johnny G, Porier, and Klimchuck in the off season and watch the likes of Colborne, Backlund, Knight, Gaudreau, Ferland, Byron, Baertschi, Granlund, Arnold, Agostino, Hanowski, and our D-prospects.. which there is depth there too... and watch them all battle it out.

Then start making the tough decisions. But for the time being, add assets and reduce heavy contracts.. It doesn't matter what we add at this moment, the kids need to play and get experience. Let them grow together.

Regarding SOB, watch last nights 2nd goal unfold as exhibit A, from the point where we lost control of the puck in the offensive zone (SOB) to the point where we regained it and then gave it right back (SOB) to the Canucks.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I don't understand why people hate SOB so much.

Because he's not good at hockey. He makes stupid decisions and takes bad penalties.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I"m not, just consider the act they had to follow, big shoes to fill. So peoples expectations are skewed.

My expectations aren't for him to steal games like Kipper. I do however expect him to not let in so many bad goals because of poor positioning and over-committing on cross ice passes giving the other team an empty net to shoot at.

[moon]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I don't understand why people hate SOB so much. I think he can actually skate, Not slow at all.. When hes out and the team is in the O-zone, he makes plays. He hits harder than any other Dman we have and can actually move guys from the front of our net. I like him...

I think most people who don't like SOB do so because his O-zone plays usually create more chances for the other team than the Flames. He is a disaster in his own zone losing his man more often than not and makes some really horrible decisions with the puck.

Paul Byron could easily turn out to be another Martin St.Louis type player, and don't give me the... No way he could do that and im out to lunch. No one thought St.Louis would turn into the player he is now, when he was with the Flames.

No he could not easily turn into another Martin St. Louis. St. louis was a PPG guy in his time in the AHL Byron hasn't come close. He may take an insane leap and become a Hart Trophy winner but it is very, very unlikely and not close to easily happening.

[shniper]

Keep
-Monahan
-Giordano
-Hudler
-Big Ern
-Brodie
-Colbourne
-Wideman
-Smid
-Baertschi
-Cammi

Dump
-Everyone else, starting with Ramo and Berra.

[bubbsy]

Keep:
- Giordano
- Monahan
- Brodie
- Baertchi
- Russel
- Bouma
- Hudler

Undecided:
- Backlund
- Berra
- Ramo
- Byron
- Wideman
- Smid

Everyone else should be available and should be discussed in potential moves.

Backlund is a very tough call, i'd be happy to see him stick around, as i think he could be better with a good team around him. I just don't see that happening for at least 2 years, so not sure how to manage that.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I'd put a vote in keep Stempniak. He's the type of veteran you want around a rebuild and younger players. He plays a committed and complete game. He's very versatile, can play in all situations, he has a great attitude, sticks up for his team mates and doesn't pout or complain.

I'll go to say he'll be more valuable to the culture of a rebuilding club that whatever we'd get back for him (2nd rounder).

Step back and compare Ferando Pisiani (after his colitis) to Stempniak.

After the Oilers finally gave up on him Pisani signed a one year deal with the Hawks for $500K.


He went from a 4 year deal at 2.5M with the Oilers to a league minimum with the Hawks as a UFA.

That is the point that Stempniak is in his career.

2 goals 4 points in his last 22 games and -16 over those 22 games.

It might be the worst stretch of 22 games by a forward playing 16-20 minutes a game in the history of the NHL.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

2 goals 4 points in his last 22 games and -16 over those 22 games.

It might be the worst stretch of 22 games by a forward playing 16-20 minutes a game in the history of the NHL.

Scott Gomez laughs in your face.

[Ring of Fire]

I like Stempniak's attitude and effort for the most part but he is ultimately a replaceable player. Hold onto him for a little longer and when he gets on a goal scoring hot streak as he tends to do, trade him for maximum value as a rental. It's a case of asset management.

[Roof-Daddy]

I sure hope being near the cap floor doesn't stop Burke from selling HARD at the deadline.

If that's the case, then pick up somebody high priced and nearly useless, like Heatley for "future considerations" or a 2016 7th round pick or something, then sell, sell, SELL!

[mrdonkey]

Keep:

Monahan
Gio
Brodie
Sven
Backlund

Put on the table:

Everyone else