[News] Granlund recalled from Abbotsford

[T@T]

Originally Posted by robbie111

moon as per usual you don't ever back up facts Markus also outscored his brother in the AHL and at the world juniors. Markus had 12 pts in 6 games including 5 goals and Mikael only had 11 pts in his last world juniors in 7 games with only 2 goals. How about trying to be nice once in awhile instead of yanking everyones chain around here.

Moon always finds something wrong with flames players, sooner or later everyone will see what I see...he's not remotely close to a flames fan.

Personally I suspect Oilers or maybe even Canucks.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by robbie111

If you use the weak opponents argument you should make sure it didn't apply to Mikael. Guess what....Mikael got 4 of his points in a 10-1 win over powerhouse Denmark. Fail again. Also Markus scored more goals in the AHL, but I guess professional stats don't matter. Give Markus and Mikael a few years in the NHL and we'll see who's right. Also if you think Mikael is more successful consider he has 2 goals this year in 27 NHL games, going out on a limb here but I bet Markus scores more than 2 goals in his first 27 NHL games. Anyone want to take that bet? C'mon Moon you know you want to. I can afford 100 bucks not much but it's something.

Someone is hitting the bottle a little early today!

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

Moon always finds something wrong with flames players, sooner or later everyone will see what I see...he's not remotely close to a flames fan.

Personally I suspect Oilers or maybe even Canucks.

What did I find wrong here? That a 2nd round pick who is 20 years old isn't more impressive so far than a 9th overall pick at 20?

[robbie111]

Originally Posted by strombad

Someone is hitting the bottle a little early today!

Nope, but Moon was questioning my reasoning about Markus quick release and great shot. I think he is a natural born goal scorer and hope he does well with the Flames.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by moon

What did I find wrong here? That a 2nd round pick who is 20 years old isn't more impressive so far than a 9th overall pick at 20?

Who is impressive? You poop on every prospect. Especially when is timely like a call up

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by T@T

Moon always finds something wrong with flames players, sooner or later everyone will see what I see...he's not remotely close to a flames fan.

Personally I suspect Oilers or maybe even Canucks.

Very few people would say that Markus is better than Mikael. The main things Markus has going for him compared to his brother is the lack of head injuries and no hype burden.

He's prospect a lot of Finnish hockey fans didn't seem to rate that high, myself included, but he has constantly progressed. He'll have to continue to progress. If his ninth-overall brother had to fight his way to the NHL, he likely won't have an easy time either.

Still, those are really good AHL numbers for a young rookie.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Who is impressive? You poop on every prospect. Especially when is timely like a call up

I didn't poop on anyone.

I haven't said a bad thing about Markus or his call up other than I thought it was surprising because I assumed he would be in the AHL all year to adjust to NA hockey.

Questioning why a guy thinks he is better than his brother is not pooping on him.

[dammage79]

It's reasonable to think that Markus COULD end up being better than his older brother.

But I'm just happy with the fact he has a chance to play his first NHL game right now.

Also not too shabby that the 45th overall pick is not too far off the production pace of his 9th overall pick of a brother. That is more of a positive than anything. And Granlund is not so undersized that he cannot stick in the NHL for a very long time. That shot..... Cammy is the closest comparable on the Flames in terms of the calibre of shot Markus has. Which IMO is sorely missing on the roster right now. Definitely helps to have another shoot first guy playing.

[btimbit]

I don't think moon's said he's a bad prospect, just that his brother is better

Originally Posted by moon

I didn't poop on anyone.

That's sig worthy

[moon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's reasonable to think that Markus COULD end up being better than his older brother.

Very reasonable and hopefully how it ends up.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by fotze

I thin the Mikael trajectory has dropped a bit from a year or so ago and the Markus one has increased this year but still think Mikael is going to be the better player. What does hank fool think watching them both?

The trajectory is probably just the usual prospect thing where there's one guy who has had to face the reality of the NHL and a younger guy who looks better because people are projecting his NHL future.

Haven't watched him now that's he's back, but Mikael was looking really good before his injury, perfectly within reasonable projections of where he might be at this point in his career - a second line center.

It would be optimistic to say that Markus is a second line center in the NHL when next season starts.

Like you'll always hear people say, Markus is more of a shooter whereas his brother has the vision and the passing. Markus at least used to be feistier on the ice and his game doesn't rely as much on open ice, so his transition into the NA game might have been less painful. Mikael still outscores him based on his talent, but he had to struggle a lot to find a way to translate his game.

People who watch the Heat will know what's going on with Markus this season.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

What did I find wrong here? That a 2nd round pick who is 20 years old isn't more impressive so far than a 9th overall pick at 20?

You act like a grumpy old man, always seem to throw out something negitive, I highly doubt anyone cares where he was drafted or if he's better than his brother, they just want to see what he can do.

He has progressed steadily as the seasons gone, 19 of his points have come in the last 20 games.

[djsFlames]

I think Markus is easily the better goal scorer than Mikael. Mikael is much more a playmaker.

Markus to me has the tools to be as productive an Nhler as his brother. This from seeing him several times over both camps and seeing notable offensive instincts, impressive hand eye and a super quick and deadly shot. He's a bit smaller (not as small as guys like Byron) but definitely played with some grit from what I saw. He was the most impressive of all forwards that headed to Abby imo. Not surprised he's almost a PPG in the AHL in his first season here.

[Lanny_McDonald]

People are finally starting to see Granlund the same way I have seen him over the past couple of years. Marcus is not a slick playmaker like his older brother, but on the small ice surface Mikael's slickness has been minimized. Mikael is a better skater and a little more physical, but Marcus has a superior instinct of where to be to score goals and has a much better release/shot. The two brothers are similar in size, Mikael being 5'10 and 176 pounds and Markus being 5'11 and 172 pounds. Their size actually plays against them. Mikael is in tough because he's a small center in a big man's game. His playmaking skills really aren't translating to the NHL game and will be even more marginalized if moved to the wing. This is where I think Marcus has a bit of an edge in being that top six player, because of his finishing ability. I think he ends up on the wing, where his size is not as big a deal, and because of this finishing ability. Mikael is a great prospect, but I think people have marginalized Markus because he has had to play in the shadow of his older brother and have really under rated him. Markus has potential to fill an important role for the Flames, he just needs a chance to show his stuff.

[T@T]

^^Marcus had a growth spurt, he's 6' about 190 now.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by T@T

^^Marcus had a growth spurt, he's 6' about 190 now.

That's a bit closer to what the Flames have him listed as @ 5'11" and 185 lbs.

[Caged Great]

In terms of comparing their play to recent flames, Mikael is more Alex Tanguay where Markus is more Mike Cammalleri.

That said, Markus still needs to take another step or two in order to become a legitimate option in the top six. Part of that is getting a shot and taking advantage of it. I hope that he has a good performance tonight and perhaps can show enough to stick for a bit.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by T@T

^^Marcus had a growth spurt, he's 6' about 190 now.

Flames have him listed at 5'11, 185, which is still bigger than his brother.

[Mass_nerder]

I get a Niklas Hagman vibe from Marcus.
I could live with that.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I get a Niklas Hagman vibe from Marcus.
I could live with that.

Really? I couldn't.