Gio becoming bonafide top 2 D?

[dissentowner]

I am not even going to bother, lol.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am not even going to bother, lol.

Why bother bringing my name up in this thread when it had nothing to do with me in the first place then?

[JiriHrdina]

Cripes give it up guys. Or we will ban both of you. Dissentower stop baiting Moon. Moon you don't need to reply to every post about you.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

He actually looks like a cross between harry potter and rob kerr........if you will

just want to jump in here, and say that oliver eckman-larsson is the nhl's real harry potter d-man

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by handgroen

just want to jump in here, and say that oliver eckman-larsson is the nhl's real harry potter d-man

lol, official Hogwarts cape too!

[dissentowner]

Trading Gio would be stupid, we need some vets and you don't trade a guy you just named captain.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Red John

Thats hilarious coming from a previously banned poster aimed at another previously banned poster.

While in theory this makes sense, given that Giordano had a pretty bad year last year and hasn't shown the consistency of being an elite d-man that other guys like Doughty show.

That said this isn't fantasy hockey where you just buy low and sell high all season long squeezing every goal and assist out of your roster. You need to find players worthy of being your core and build around them. Giordano's effort and leadership has been replicated by much of this Flames team and you have to build around that even if he's no spring chicken anymore.

One day I'll be a banned poster I'm sure, and one day after that I'll be a returning banned poster under a cool new alias. But until then, I'm happy to drive you nuts with some made up mystery. Either way, regarding $ven, I still stick by my observation, regardless of the obsession over if he's ever be banned before makes it hilarious or not.

Regarding Gio though, I completely agree with you. It's not a guy like Cammy or Stempniak we're talking about here. This is a guy that not only is one of our best players, but has an obvious effect on the players around him when he's on the ice. His value is one of the things you NEED in a rebuild, not one of the things you needs to convert to picks or prospects.

[PlayfulGenius]

I'm in the Trade Gio camp (seemingly the minority)... If he continues his current play, I see he return being massive and something that could really accelerate the rebuild.

I think Gio could return a legit prospect as part of the package, as opposed to what Iginla and Bouwmeester returned.

It seems to me players like Gio are the most sought after players at the trade deadline.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

I'm in the Trade Gio camp (seemingly the minority)... If he continues his current play, I see he return being massive and something that could really accelerate the rebuild.

I think Gio could return a legit prospect as part of the package, as opposed to what Iginla and Bouwmeester returned.

It seems to me players like Gio are the most sought after players at the trade deadline.

But why? Out of genuine curiosity, what do you think we get for Gio that actually replaces the value he has?

IF Gio were to be traded, which I feel would be a mistake, then it should be at the trade deadline because we're not going to get value from him at that stage. It needs to be at the draft, ideally for a top pick. That's the only way you stand a chance of getting real value out of the deal.

[stemit14]

I think some of you are forgetting what is happening to the team up north. Part of their problem is not having those character leaders that lead them on and off the ice... Gio does just that and he needs to stay. He's part of the solution... Not part of the problem

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Weber is not a 7th dman. He will be playing top 4.

Yup, you're right. I was basing the pairs on chemistry mainly. I'm sure Keith - Weber would be the top pairing

[moon]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think some of you are forgetting what is happening to the team up north. Part of their problem is not having those character leaders that lead them on and off the ice... Gio does just that and he needs to stay. He's part of the solution... Not part of the problem

I think that is a much smaller problem than having piss poor defense, weak goaltending, zero quality support players and a team that apparently has zero accountability.

They have had Ryan Smyth for the past 2.5 years who is looked at as a leader and has plenty of international winning experience and have had vets like N. Schultz, Horcoff, Vandermeer, Whitney, Foster, Ferrence, Gordon that should be more than able to show them the right way to act on and off the ice as pro's.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Keeping or dealing Gio has both pros and cons IMO. On the plus he's a solid player and great leader for the kids to learn from, However by the time we're competitive again he'll be up there in age and not nearly as valuable of an asset. Dealing Gio for an Overpayment while his value is sky high and then going out in free agency and signing a good veteran seems like smart asset management to me. However it would have to be OP of course.
I appreciate the $ven bashing, Merry Christmas guys.




3 thanked posts in 5 months = the leader of the moon fanclub? Interesting.

I see what your saying, but trading Gio would be a huge mistake. The Flames are rebuilding more then the team. They are rebuilding their identity, their culture, attitude, everything. Thinking that moving Gio is smart asset management is incredibly short sighted. Moving him would move the Flames back 3 or 4 years. Mostly because the young players coming up would lose that role model, that player that teaches them how to play the right way. Yeah you can bring in some veterans, but bringing in veterans that are at the tail end of their career you get floaters, players that are only playing for the money, and you get the last 4 years of the country club years.

When I watch this team I see it as Gio's team. It's not the most talented, the most skilled team, but like Gio, the team works hard, and does what it needs to do to compete... Trade Gio, and the team goes with him.

[PeteMoss]

I wouldn't move him, I do understand the thought of considering it but to me he's the untouchable of the vets. He's a guy who's been through everything that a young guy could possibly see on their development path (undrafted, years in the minors, not being signed and spending a year in Russia, getting a good sized contract, taking a leadership role). Plus defensemen can hold their primes later than forwards (also takes them longer to develop). He's just a good mentor to have on the roster and a guy you can point to as what hard work can do.

Any other vet (including Hudler) i'd be willing to move for the right price.. but Gio would be a guy I'd want to represent what you want from the players on the team.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by moon

I think that is a much smaller problem than having piss poor defense, weak goaltending, zero quality support players and a team that apparently has zero accountability.

They have had Ryan Smyth for the past 2.5 years who is looked at as a leader and has plenty of international winning experience and have had vets like N. Schultz, Horcoff, Vandermeer, Whitney, Foster, Ferrence, Gordon that should be more than able to show them the right way to act on and off the ice as pro's.

While I don't think its the biggest problem they have... all of those guys are roster filler players. Its hard to lead the team when you are obviously not a key member of the team or a difference maker.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think some of you are forgetting what is happening to the team up north. Part of their problem is not having those character leaders that lead them on and off the ice... Gio does just that and he needs to stay. He's part of the solution... Not part of the problem

I don't see the correlation with the Oilers? Who was the leader on their team jettisoned that has them in their current state?

They've made mistakes, but trading a Gio isn't one of them.

Also, I don't see Gio as a part of any problem, just so I'm clear. As an asset, he's a legitimate Opportunity. The fact that he is so valuable is exactly why he'll fetch so much more toward the rebuild than any other aging asset currently on the team.

I'd love to see him moved to PIT for Maata+, or something of that ilk. I haven't watched Maata play so I'm just using him as an example. I'd like to see him moved for a player that has a legit shot of being a replacement plus other assets such as prospects or picks.

I'd prefer a more aggressive style of rebuild...perhaps riskier but also potentially quicker.

[bucksmasher]

I kinda think the oilers over did it gutting the team starting around the time they dealt Visnovsky. They started moving players around for picks and garbage. Never seemed to win any trades and just wound up with a room full of strangers. Probably forgot about the bird in hand saying. I guess Smyth should be a leader but....?

I just think a little continuity can go a long way. Gio is not just "veteran", he's a Calgary Flame veteran. If having a warrior like Gio play out his years here and never getting a big trade return on him avoids the ####e brewery that's bubbling away in Edmonton, well I'm all for it.

[Jiggy]

From Elliotte's 30 thoughts.

18. Assuming Canada takes four left-shooting defencemen to Sochi, is anyone else wondering if one of them could be Mark Giordano?

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

From Elliotte's 30 thoughts.

18. Assuming Canada takes four left-shooting defencemen to Sochi, is anyone else wondering if one of them could be Mark Giordano?

Ya, what was the date on this quote?

[moon]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

Ya, what was the date on this quote?

Christmas Eve