It's hard for me to not remember the Octobers where he was the worst player on the ice for many games putting us in a hole that we couldn't climb out of. Strange that he was such a slow starter considering he was always in great shape.
I'll probably get more pity for that statment. I'm probably letting the whole I'll go to BOS, oh wait no, only PIT annoy me more than it should. But overall I have fonder memories of Fleury than I do of Iginla. A lot of the latter Iginla led Flames teams were massive sources of frustration and disappointment and maybe I blame the captain too much for them. Clearly others put the blame mostly on the coach but to each their own. Obviously I'll get some heat for not taking the party line and being an Iginla fanboy still.
Theo is #1 for me too but younger guys won't have those memories so I can understand that...as for blaming the coach that is too easy. Iginla's game has fell drastically in the last couple years. He will be lucky to hit 20 goals this season and wasn't even considered for team Canada. He just isn't that top end guy anymore he is a good secondary player
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I think Iginla's a good guy and had maybe good intentions but I feel he felt that the only way he could help the team was by scoring and creating offense which at times clashed with what was best for team defense. By the end he may have been afforded a bit too much power for a player as it seemed like he was above the coach. IMO this was management and ownership's fault not Iginla's as they started making decisions on what was best for Iginla not what was best for the team which is how the roster spiralled into an old mess of bad contracts and unmotivated players during his last few seasons as a Flame.
It is what it is and he is still one of the greatest players in team history and I will be cheering for the Bruins in the playoffs.
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Yep, Iginla should have submitted his list, then the next contact Feaster should have had with him is "Team X has an offer we would accept, will you go? - Yes or No?" None of this other crap that went on.
I think it was Chiarelli who mentioned that typically when a player with an NTC gives their list, it is an actual document that the player signs saying they will accept a trade to any of those teams. Feaster was under the impression that it wasn't necessary to put it on paper and took it for granted that Iginla would accept a trade to any of the teams on his list without out the need for paperwork. It seems both GMs had the same idea.
The lesson learned is do not ever trust anyone on a handshake deal, even after 16 years of successful business together.
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From what I understand of the situation they did ask him for a list and he did provide a list of 4 teams he would be willing to go to. Sounds like they went off that 4 team list, got the best offer from Boston and told Boston they had a deal. At that point Iginla said he'd only go to PIT, thus making the list of 4 teams he was "willing" to be traded to irrelevant.
Iginla made it clear all along that Pittsburgh was his top choice. When Feaster ended up with offers from both the Bruins and Pens, Iggy remained consistent in what he told the team: he preferred Pittsburgh. The team agreed to complete that trade.
Honestly, your sense of entitlement is astounding. It should also serve as an object lesson to the NHLPA why fans tend both to support ownership and to flock back after labour disruption: Fans see them as little more than slabs of meat.
Honestly, your sense of entitlement is astounding. It should also serve as an object lesson to the NHLPA why fans tend both to support ownership and to flock back after labour disruption: Fans see them as little more than slabs of meat.
I think we see them as men that are paid extremely well to play a kids game to which fans invest a lot of time and money. If Jarome Iginla was paying me thousands of dollars of his own money to me for services he would be entitled to the agreed services so I think some fan entitlement is fair. I personally am over the whole thing and at the end of the day I don't blame Iginla for going to the Penguins over Bruins as I would have done the same thing. In the end Iginla didn't do any favors for the Flames organization and fans but I personally don't feel he was obligated to do anything more than he wanted.
I think it was Chiarelli who mentioned that typically when a player with an NTC gives their list, it is an actual document that the player signs saying they will accept a trade to any of those teams. Feaster was under the impression that it wasn't necessary to put it on paper and took it for granted that Iginla would accept a trade to any of the teams on his list without out the need for paperwork. It seems both GMs had the same idea.
The lesson learned is do not ever trust anyone on a handshake deal, even after 16 years of successful business together.
I think this is secondary, yet not without merit.
Iginla should never have known there was an offer from Pitts on the table. That was a critical error by Feaster and Co.
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Ken King will be out on his ass before he has the opportunity to enact that policy.
Not Retiring #12 would be a sacrilege.
Dude, the policy already exists.
And it doesn't matter if the ceremony is called "Forever a Flame" or anything else. Someone will wear 2 again. Nobody will wear 12 again. 12 and 14 are already retired, whether or not there has been a ceremony for them.
There was plenty of respect given by the organization. Probably over 50 million times.
There's the problem.
The same acquiescing by management that tarnished his legacy in Calgary later in his career was the same acquiescing that tarnished his legacy at the trade deadline.
If those goofs down at the Flames office would follow some sort of protocol, get his name on the dotted line of teams he'd be willing to go to, we likely aren't having this conversation now, Iginla likely has a stanley cup to his credit and we're likely watching Bartkowski be one of our top prospects alongside Brodie, praying kochlachev (SP?) doesn't take off for Mother Russia.
Instead, it's lamentations for all.
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