Hartley very impressed with Joe Colborne

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by Drury18

He's got a long way to go to sink to the level of Greg Gilbert. Long way.

Gilbert has a higher winning percentage than Hartley now. Hartley is also working on running two young players out of town to top Gilbert's Savardian ######arama!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by fotze

Wouldn't be surprised if Murray Edwards and Paul Colborne haven't smoked a few stogies lit with hundies at the petroleum club lounge.

Just throwing that in there for the conspiracy lovers.

That's actually a fairly reasonable thought to have. All conspiracies are met with disdain on CP, and although it likely isn't the case, it also wouldn't surprise me if there was truth to it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Parallex

It is decent, especially when you consider that two of the folk above him are currently injured.

I guess we have to disagree. The two guys being injured is the reason that it is "so high." Without injuries he is basically not playing on the PP at all.

Who do you think he's been playing with since his icetime got elevated?

Guys like Galiardi, Glencross, Jones. Seems like Monahan has rotated with Hudler, Baertschi, Jackman and now Reinhart. McGrattan and Jackman have been on the 4th.

Wait... so you think the default should be him playing ahead of other? Seems strange

I think he deserves a 4 game shot to see what he can do since there isn't a better option yes. Not sure what is strange about that. It isn't by default he was playing well.

He played ok and got minutes. I didn't see anything from him that in my mind forced the coach to elevate his minutes.

I would think injury to Stajan and him playing better than the other options lead to his increased minutes. But we obviously disagree on how he played.

I really don't know what this means.

It means that when Colborne played well his minutes increased to 18 mins, when he played poorly his minutes were reduced back to 8 mins.

Really really really disagree. IMO Backlund has been easily the superior player all season long.

Again an area we will have to disagree on as it doesn't look like much will change either guys opinion on this and likely the biggest issue in any disagreement we have is our opinions on how Colborne and Backlund have played.

It's not about just the last game. It's about the body of work as a whole and particularly the body of work since he got his ice-time initially elevated.

Well on a whole he has averaged about 7-10 minutes so hard to see what the issue you could have there and since he got the increased ice time he played okay then when he played poorly his ice time was brought back to 8 mins. The reason we are talking about the last game is because that is all we have to go on. If he jumps back up to 20 mins against SJ maybe you have an issue but it seems like you didn't like that he was getting big minutes and playing poorly and then was reduced in mins so you should be happy with that.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by fotze

Wouldn't be surprised if Murray Edwards and Paul Colborne haven't smoked a few stogies lit with hundies at the petroleum club lounge.

Just throwing that in there for the conspiracy lovers.

Think Paul Myers sometimes joins them?

[EYE_Overstand]

I wonder what players do you like moon.. On the team and in the system?


Everyone always thinks you're so negative... I think you just enjoy debating and arguing... With that said... I wonder who you actually like... Team to management to prospects

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

I wonder what players do you like moon.. On the team and in the system?


Everyone always thinks you're so negative... I think you just enjoy debating and arguing... With that said... I wonder who you actually like... Team to management to prospects

He certainly doesn't like very much about anything.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

Everyone always thinks you're so negative... I think you just enjoy debating and arguing.

I like moon as a poster... if nothing else he'll prevent this place from just being an echo chamber/mutual appreciation society. A community filled with people just agreeing with one another is a pretty boring place to be.

[moon]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

I wonder what players do you like moon.. On the team and in the system?


Everyone always thinks you're so negative... I think you just enjoy debating and arguing... With that said... I wonder who you actually like... Team to management to prospects

Management: Love Burke (and King if he is outside of hockey ops) although for the most part meh with the lesser guys in management. Don't like Feaster at all. Not sure about Weisbrod, not keen on his love of American NCAA guys and definitely not close to the rep he has with many here but tough to judge a guy who isn't in the GM seat in terms of what he actually does/doesn't do. Hate Hartley as a coach. Like Gelinas as a person player so wouldn't mind seeing him stay around but have no idea about him as a coach.

Team: Love- Monahan, Bouma
Like- Gio, Stajan, Glencross, Baertschi, Colborne
Not a big fan of: Backlund, Jones, Stempniak, Russell
Dislike- Butler, Wideman, SOB, Smid
Everyone else a pretty big meh don't dislike but won't miss if gone.

Prospects: Hope they all turn into Sidney Crosby but have higher hopes for Klimchuk and Wotherspoon than most others. Think the other prospects are the typical prospect crapshoots so don't expect a ton from them.

Probably missed someone in that list.

Sorry for this being Off Topic and I certainly understand if the post is deleted but I was asked so thought I would answer.

[EYE_Overstand]

All good. I like your posts to. It's good you air it out so that people don't always think you are always a hater

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I like moon as a poster... if nothing else he'll prevent this place from just being an echo chamber/mutual appreciation society. A community filled with people just agreeing with one another is a pretty boring place to be.

Yes, moon is the only thing holding this place back from being a mutual appreciation society. Hi Parallex, welcome to Calgarypuck, where things are way different from what you just described in your post. Enjoy your stay.

Seriously, that's literally what I would say if someone said "hey, flameswin, describe the exact opposite of Calgarypuck".

[moon]

Originally Posted by flameswin

yes, moon is the only thing holding this place back from being a mutual appreciation society. Hi parallex, welcome to calgarypuck, where things are way different from what you just described in your post. Enjoy your stay.

Seriously, that's literally what i would say if someone said "hey, flameswin, describe the exact opposite of calgarypuck".

lol

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by moon

Management: Love Burke (and King if he is outside of hockey ops) although for the most part meh with the lesser guys in management. Don't like Feaster at all. Not sure about Weisbrod, not keen on his love of American NCAA guys and definitely not close to the rep he has with many here but tough to judge a guy who isn't in the GM seat in terms of what he actually does/doesn't do. Hate Hartley as a coach. Like Gelinas as a person player so wouldn't mind seeing him stay around but have no idea about him as a coach.

Team: Love- Monahan, Bouma
Like- Gio, Stajan, Glencross, Baertschi, Colborne
Not a big fan of: Backlund, Jones, Stempniak, Russell
Dislike- Butler, Wideman, SOB, Smid
Everyone else a pretty big meh don't dislike but won't miss if gone.

Prospects: Hope they all turn into Sidney Crosby but have higher hopes for Klimchuk and Wotherspoon than most others. Think the other prospects are the typical prospect crapshoots so don't expect a ton from them.

Probably missed someone in that list.

Sorry for this being Off Topic and I certainly understand if the post is deleted but I was asked so thought I would answer.

Nice, that certainly paints a different picture of you as a fan than what I get from your posts. Why don't you post a little more on the positive side about these players/management that you do like. Or post something fun when players you like score/make good plays.

I mean that honestly, and I totally understand if you just say "F off flameswin, I'll post how I want" because I'm kind of a dick about your posting style. I think you should, as you tend to post very biasedly towards your dislikes, which paints you as a very negative poster.

[edn88]

I have noticed Colborne more these days than Baertchi. Lately Sven makes some good creative plays, but more often than not it looks like he is week on the puck.

I hope Sven lives up to his potential, but right now, Joe seems to be playing better.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

From a team philosophy perspective I wasn't happy with them immediately slotting Colborne into the line-up after the trade. That's not his fault, but it does make one take notice and scrutinize a bit more than usual. I thought he should have had to earn a role in direct competition with the others on the team. Hartley does have favourites, and seems like Colborne's made the list.

What is interesting is that although different players have (understandably) different expectations, Hartley also has different ways of delivering the consequences. Most recently Colborne was an outright passenger in the Minnesota game, but it doesn't appear that sitting is his consequence whereas Baertschi and Backlund do sit. Up to Hartley how he wants to play it, but I'm not a fan of giving players at similar stages (which those 3 are) different consequences for not meeting your expectations.

After the dozen or so games, I can't say I'm a big fan of his play or progress. But he seems to have a lock for a spot, so here's hoping he starts lighting it up.

[1stLand]

I think Colborne is highly overrated.

Show me some points and I will be more impressed.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I think Colborne is highly overrated.

Show me some points and I will be more impressed.

Overrated? How, in order to be overrated, you need to have high expectations in the first place. Maybe a few years ago he'd be overrated, but as of right now, he seems to be exceeding expectations from when we traded a 4th round pick.

The only Flames prospects trending towards overrated due to lack of offensive production right now are Backlund and Sven.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Overrated? How, in order to be overrated, you need to have high expectations in the first place. Maybe a few years ago he'd be overrated, but as of right now, he seems to be exceeding expectations from when we traded a 4th round pick.

The only Flames prospects trending towards overrated due to lack of offensive production right now are Backlund and Sven.

Well, Colborne is getting WAAAAAAAY more icetime then Backlund & Sven.

When you are getting key minutes and PP time, you are expected to produce more then teammates that are getting secondary minutes.

So while we may have got him for a 4th Rounder, its irrelevant.

[moon]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Well, Colborne is getting WAAAAAAAY more icetime then Backlund & Sven.

When you are getting key minutes and PP time, you are expected to produce more then teammates that are getting secondary minutes.

So while we may have got him for a 4th Rounder, its irrelevant.

He has played a total of 50 minutes less and 2:50 less per game than Backlund so WAAAAAAAAY more ice time might be a stretch there. He has played a total of 11 minutes more than Baertschi but 1 min less per game than him so again WAAAAAAAY more ice time is a bit of a stretch. Plus not really sure that Colborne a center and Baertschi a winger should have their ice time compared that much as they have little to do with each other in terms of playing time.

Colborne still has only played the 7th most time for PP amongst forwards (thanks to injuries boosting his time up) and played a whopping 0 mins last game on the PP so key minutes and PP time likely not really what he is getting.

[Hyde]

Gelinas on a post game interview after the Detroit game was asked about Colborun and he said that he is always asking for their opinion what he can do to improve; wants to learn. Good for him the kid wants to be here and be the best player he can. Nice to see the coaches can see it and reward him.

Also great post by timbit wish more fans saw it that way.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by fotze

Wouldn't be surprised if Murray Edwards and Paul Colborne haven't smoked a few stogies lit with hundies at the petroleum club lounge.

Just throwing that in there for the conspiracy lovers.

Nope. The Calgary Petroleum Club is a smoke-free environment
http://www.calpeteclub.com/section/s...ction=2&Page=3