Blue Jays 2013/14 off season

[flames_fan_down_under]

^^^ How is that possible?

If true then the Jays need to make that move immediately.

[dustyanddaflames]

As bad as Arencibia is - guy still has pop in that bat, and power will always sell.

[Cheese]

^^ yup agreed. Blind to the bat.
He was second amongst Catchers in HRs last year I believe?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

^^^ How is that possible?

If true then the Jays need to make that move immediately.

I think there is a still a group of GMs who don't really believe in OPS or other advanced stats.

HRs do look pretty on paper.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Hard to believe that a guy like Arencibia would have any sort of value, or any appeal. But you guys must be right, HRs look pretty and still appeal to some GMs.

[moon]

In every sport there are guys who think they can fix certain guys and with his numbers in the PCL my guess is that someone thinks they can change JPA's swing and he will be able to hit around .250 with 25-85 which is decent for a catcher. I am not sure with the attitude he has shown that I would want to take that chance with him but I doubt anyone is offering up any Trout/Harper level prospects to get him either.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Hard to believe that a guy like Arencibia would have any sort of value, or any appeal. But you guys must be right, HRs look pretty and still appeal to some GMs.

Why? Move him to DH or 1st. I would guess being an everyday Catcher will lower his average and OBP.

He has power, which is always appealing.

[KelVarnsen]

LOL, JPA can barely play catcher let alone 1B.

[Pagal4321]

Problem with JPA is his attitude, it seems like he's under the impression he's awesome and refuses to work at his craft to improve.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

LOL, JPA can barely play catcher let alone 1B.

Not sure, I would think another team would be interested to give it a try.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by flambers

Why? Move him to DH or 1st.

JPA's bat will not play at either of those spots. The only reason he managed to make the big leagues was on the basis of being a catcher. If you move him from the position of highest defensive value to the positions with little/no defensive value then he's probably a Double A level player on the basis of just his batting skills (or rather lack thereof).

JP's got power but that's it. Can't hit for contact, isn't an above average fielder, can't (or won't) take a walk, doesn't work the count. Someone said it earlier JP is an opposing pitchers dream... all you have to do is not hang a pitch over the heart of the plate and he'll get himself out and he won't even make you burn much into your pitch count.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Parallex

JPA's bat will not play at either of those spots. The only reason he managed to make the big leagues was on the basis of being a catcher. If you move him from the position of highest defensive value to the positions with little/no defensive value then he's probably a Double A level player on the basis of just his batting skills (or rather lack thereof).

JP's got power but that's it. Can't hit for contact, isn't an above average fielder, can't (or won't) take a walk, doesn't work the count. Someone said it earlier JP is an opposing pitchers dream... all you have to do is not hang a pitch over the heart of the plate and he'll get himself out and he won't even make you burn much into your pitch count.

If there is interest in the player....

They must see some type of potential in the player.

As a example Players like Edwin Encarnacion was a total write off as well.... I remember the trade, many simply assumed he was a bench player with no upside.

A player like JPA if he was traded to the proper organization could have upside...

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Baseball has always been a game of adaptation and confidence, its a highly cerebral game.

He does need a lot of work (improvement), I just hope he doesn't figure things out if we do trade him, I'm still haunted by us dealing Chris Carpenter.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Baseball has always been a game of adaptation and confidence, its a highly cerebral game.

Said no one during the steroid era.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Baseball has always been a game of adaptation and confidence, its a highly cerebral game.

He does need a lot of work (improvement), I just hope he doesn't figure things out if we do trade him, I'm still haunted by us dealing Chris Carpenter.

Carpenter wasnt traded he declined the Jays offer and left as a FA.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Parallex

JPA's bat will not play at either of those spots. The only reason he managed to make the big leagues was on the basis of being a catcher. If you move him from the position of highest defensive value to the positions with little/no defensive value then he's probably a Double A level player on the basis of just his batting skills (or rather lack thereof).

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, his AAA numbers were always quite good for any position.

As a major league player though, the home runs are about the only thing he really offers right now. Even his RBI and batting average were not very good given the number of plate appearances he had. So any GM who's old school will see that and I don't think they exist anymore. Than you get into the slightly different metrics of on base, slugging, K rate and he's downright awful. Than there are probably some even more advanced metrics way beyond what I could ever give a flying fata about where I'm sure he looks even worse. Factored in with the fact that at the eye test level his defence as a catcher is bad.

No GM in Baseball is that stupid anymore to trade much for Arencibia. Especially since he is showing that he has a hard time dealing with failure and criticism. Unless he showed some potential as a guy who can hit lefties for a bit of power to use as a platoon/bench player no one is going to fall sucker for him.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, his AAA numbers were always quite good for any position.

Yeah... but it was Vegas. Vegas makes everyone look better then they are (at hitting... it makes your pitchers worse). But yes I think there are few GM's that would give anything for JP. Amaro maybe but that's it.

[Flickered Flame]

Jays sign Dan Johnson.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/1...n-johnson.html

[dustyanddaflames]

Well it looks like Carlos Ruiz is going back to the Phillies - should really drive up the price of the remaining cathers which are free agents... Might also boost any value that JPA has left?! Really starting to scratch my head as to what Anthopolous is going to do at the catcher position - won't be able to land McCann, maybe AJ Pierzynski or Jarrod Skulletamachia? I still think there is a nugget out there via trade that the media hasn't discovered... Wieters name has been tossed around now, but trading him within the division doesn't make any sense for the Orioles.

[RedHot25]

Looks like Josh Johnson is off to the Padres - 1 year 8 million dollar deal.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10...e-year-8m-deal