Lebrun: Oilers among eight teams on miller's no-trade list

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I had completely forgotten about Perry being part of it.

Wouldn't Perry look good on the Oilers right now...

Nah, they would've completely ruined him. It's like an elite prospect black hole.

[dying4acup]

The oilers big mistake has been making private business public(ie: "we almost signed Hossa"). If they do that, then players like souray, heatley and pronger are aloud to bash the oilers as much as they like.

And until the management changes, the perception of the oilers won't. But don't worry oiler fans, Lowe has "more cups than ALMOST ANYONE IN THE GAME"!

[Buster]

I'm waiting for the one player/team that announces that the player has one team on his no-trade list, and it's Edmonton.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I had completely forgotten about Perry being part of it.

Wouldn't Perry look good on the Oilers right now...

He wouldn't be half the player he is if he had to go through the Oilers development system. And even if somehow he did become an all-star, he would have demanded a trade long ago

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Lowe had a trade with the Ducks. Comrie for Corey Fricken Perry AND a 1st round draft pick. But he wanted Comrie to give the Oilers $2.5M back from the bonus money he earned on his ELC. So Lowe traded him to the Flyers instead.

This is such an awesome sequence of events that we couldn't make up a better story

Ha ha. Stupid Oilers

Apparently Comrie wanted out of Edmonton so bad that he was willing to pay the money, but the NHLPA wouldn't let him.

My Favourite Klown gaffe is cutting Curtis Glencross because he was "going to make a big push for Hossa". Worked out great for the Flames.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Honestly I would much rather live in Calgary then the Midwest and 98% of the USA. I'd probably say Edmonton over 80% of them. I have many non-canadian friends that would agree with that too.

Are you and your friends extremely affluent and married to American women?

Regardless of our on-ice situation, Calgary is in the bottom third cities in appeal to NHLers. We're not as badly regarded as Edmonton (nowhere is), but we're pretty likely to be on a no-trade list of eight teams.

This topic has come up before, but there are lots of cities in the U.S. that would be not especially nice to live in as a middle-class person, but are great places for the rich to live. It's a winner-take-all society down there, and things are very, very nice for the rich even in otherwise meh cities like St. Louis and Pittsburgh. I'd bet there area of Buffalo where NHLers live and raise their families is much nicer than anywhere in Calgary - leafy mansions, top-notch private schools, proximity to world-class restaurants and shopping.

Small, cold, and faraway (from family and friends) aren't very attractive features to people who have a choice, regardless of how nice of a place Calgary is to earn a decent salary and raise a middle-class family. Furthermore, very few Americans - especially the to-the-manor-born women NHLers marry these days - would choose to live outside the U.S. if they could help it. And this isn't 1989 anymore; wives have a big say in these decisions nowadays.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Are you and your friends extremely affluent and married to American women?

Regardless of our on-ice situation, Calgary is in the bottom third cities in appeal to NHLers. We're not as badly regarded as Edmonton (nowhere is), but we're pretty likely to be on a no-trade list of eight teams.

This topic has come up before, but there are lots of cities in the U.S. that would be not especially nice to live in as a middle-class person, but are great places for the rich to live. It's a winner-take-all society down there, and things are very, very nice for the rich even in otherwise meh cities like St. Louis and Pittsburgh. I'd bet there area of Buffalo where NHLers live and raise their families is much nicer than anywhere in Calgary - leafy mansions, top-notch private schools, proximity to world-class restaurants and shopping.

Small, cold, and faraway (from family and friends) aren't very attractive features to people who have a choice, regardless of how nice of a place Calgary is to earn a decent salary and raise a middle-class family. Furthermore, very few Americans - especially the to-the-manor-born women NHLers marry these days - would choose to live outside the U.S. if they could help it. And this isn't 1989 anymore; wives have a big say in these decisions nowadays.

Pittsburgh is an awesome city. One of my favorite US cities.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Lowe had a trade with the Ducks. Comrie for Corey Fricken Perry AND a 1st round draft pick. But he wanted Comrie to give the Oilers $2.5M back from the bonus money he earned on his ELC. So Lowe traded him to the Flyers instead.

This is such an awesome sequence of events that we couldn't make up a better story

Ha ha. Stupid Oilers

Actually the story does in fact get better. Despite this gaffe and numerous other ones not only did Lowe not get fired, he got promoted. It's the story that just keeps getting better and better. Katz may be a smart businessman but as an professional sports franchise owner he's hands down one of the dumbest in North American sports.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Are you and your friends extremely affluent and married to American women?

Regardless of our on-ice situation, Calgary is in the bottom third cities in appeal to NHLers. We're not as badly regarded as Edmonton (nowhere is), but we're pretty likely to be on a no-trade list of eight teams.

This topic has come up before, but there are lots of cities in the U.S. that would be not especially nice to live in as a middle-class person, but are great places for the rich to live. It's a winner-take-all society down there, and things are very, very nice for the rich even in otherwise meh cities like St. Louis and Pittsburgh. I'd bet there area of Buffalo where NHLers live and raise their families is much nicer than anywhere in Calgary - leafy mansions, top-notch private schools, proximity to world-class restaurants and shopping.

Small, cold, and faraway (from family and friends) aren't very attractive features to people who have a choice, regardless of how nice of a place Calgary is to earn a decent salary and raise a middle-class family. Furthermore, very few Americans - especially the to-the-manor-born women NHLers marry these days - would choose to live outside the U.S. if they could help it. And this isn't 1989 anymore; wives have a big say in these decisions nowadays.

Like you said, this has come up before, most recently during the summer. I have family that used to live in the Michigan and Connecticut area and now live in California. I've seen plenty of Detroit and that "metropolitan" area to know they make Calgary look like eden. So I'm sure if Calgary was competitive they would have no problem attracting UFAs.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Like you said, this has come up before, most recently during the summer. I have family that used to live in the Michigan and Connecticut area and now live in California. I've seen plenty of Detroit and that "metropolitan" area to know they make Calgary look like eden. So I'm sure if Calgary was competitive they would have no problem attracting UFAs.

Detroit is certainly one of the worst cities to live in out of the 30 NHL team cities. However, they have the best run organization and that's why it appeals to players. Organization > City in terms of attracting players.

Calgary is certainly one of the least desirable places to play in terms of "city". It's small, cold, and faraway from the NE. But you're right, when the Flames were one of the best teams in the league they had no problem attracting guys (Jay Bouw, Amonte, Hamrlik). Even before last season the Flames had a good enough looking roster to attract Hudler and Wideman, two of the best UFA's at the time.

If the Flames continue the rebuild properly and become competitive in the next 2 - 3 years then Burke and Co. will be able to sign some attractive UFA's and some of the big studs will most likely omit Calgary from their NTC lists.

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

Originally Posted by Muta

I would bet the Flames are on there too.

Ofcourse they are!

Miller has already played with Butler in front of him once.

[GreenLantern]

Spoiler!

Honestly from an outsiders perspective I don't see a lot of difference between the cities of Calgary and Edmonton.. so a lot of these jokes are lost on me. If I was a hockey player from out east they would both look the same and both would be on my list. I think this is why we saw the Flames targetting the heck out of local Alberta boys this summer. They realize that a small market team is tough to sell, especially in rebuild mode and especially without any super star elite players.

err I mean, Ha Ha stupid Oilers?

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Are you and your friends extremely affluent and married to American women?

Small, cold, and faraway (from family and friends) aren't very attractive features to people who have a choice, regardless of how nice of a place Calgary is to earn a decent salary and raise a middle-class family. Furthermore, very few Americans - especially the to-the-manor-born women NHLers marry these days - would choose to live outside the U.S. if they could help it. And this isn't 1989 anymore; wives have a big say in these decisions nowadays.

My uncle played in the NHL in the 70's. At my cousin's wedding a few years ago, I was talking to one of his former teammates. We were talking about the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg and his wife chimes in "I bet their wifes arn't happy about that". He adds "yeah, they go from back yard swimming pools to Winterpeg".

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Phil Russell

If you are a kid from the Northeastern or Midwest US, hell, if you are a kid from MTL or TO or Moscow or Prague who is good enough to command a no trade clause, far away western cities, and smaller markets in general, are terra incognita. Unknown and undesirable.

Guys from Montreal or Toronto wouldn't consider Calgary/Edmonton/Western Canada as "terra incognita".

Well, maybe Edmonton

[DionTheDman]

Pretty sure this has something to do with why nobody wants to go there...

The question on everyone’s mind: Why does Edmonton smell like poop?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10...ell-like-poop/

[heep223]

On a side note....that's an incredible picture!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by heep223

Guys from Montreal or Toronto wouldn't consider Calgary/Edmonton/Western Canada as "terra incognita".

Well, maybe Edmonton

You would be surprised. I find a portion of Torontonians look down on Western Canada and some of it is due to prejudice and ignorance not unlike how Americans view us. I had a customer from Toronto coming into town last December for a week and she was all worried about the weather here and having proper clothing. I actually jokingly said; "You know Calgary isn't near the North Pole."

[djsFlames]

.....This is ####ing ice hockey.

If you can't handle a cold climate while you're playing a winter sport as a professional, then you're in the wrong sport.

Also, newsflash. Not everyone likes playing in a massive city. Big, busy and chaotic isn't always the top on people's lists. I don't know why those here assume this is so? If you can be in a quieter city (even though 1.1 mil ain't small) with a dedicated fanbase that'll fill the building and provide that Canadian market feel, and can raise a family without worrying that they'll get mugged or murdered going about their everyday routines, then I'd say Calgary is a pretty fine place.

It's also way better than Edmonton... don't know how you can throw both into the same bucket.

[strombad]

We should also remember, when regarding where NHL players wouldn't mind living, that Calgary is near the very top of almost every quality of life index every single year. Calgary is VERY good to it's wealthy, so there is a lot of value in coming here. Plus, it's not as though hockey players just judge us from afar, they travel through every year (or two). Between us and Edmonton? No contest. As an actual city, we have far more to offer. I'd say we're in the 10-20 range as far as desirable cities go.

That said, I'm surprised more players don't clamour to go to Nashville, that city is absolutely fantastic.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Phil Russell

Glass houses folks. My guess is that Calgary is a pretty common "will not be traded to" location as well.

If you are a kid from the Northeastern or Midwest US, hell, if you are a kid from MTL or TO or Moscow or Prague who is good enough to command a no trade clause, far away western cities, and smaller markets in general, are terra incognita. Unknown and undesirable.

The reasons players like Miller chose not to play in EDM mostly apply to CGY as well.

The only reason Calgary is on no trade lists right now is because they're rebuilding. We've got the best tax setup in the NHL, don't think the millionaires are not going to notice that.