Pressing charges against a registered sex offender?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Not true. My kid took Tae Kwan Do for over 5 years, and she can still punch and block a lot better than a girl that has never taken anything. She's been out of it for a year, but I'm glad she took what she did. Plus I have no plans of arming her with a weapon, what country do you think we live in?

I think that is great, seriously. What I am trying to say is that if someone is depending on their martial arts training to translate to fighting to save their lives, they might be in for a shock. Having a good understanding of staying out of danger is much more useful, as is recognizing that most predators want to take you somewhere, and that staying where you are is usually preferable to anything else. The longer you are standing up (this is hard to believe) the farther you might end up when the fight is over.

The choice to fight should be the last choice made, unless someone is very capable. Running is preferable to punching. It takes YEARS for the average person to become a capable fighter.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by 4X4

The whole point of taking a martial art is to train with it. Use it. Advance. What do you think happens at a dojo? People sit at desks and read books on how to kick?

I don't think there's any point in talking about this. You seem to think that arming a young person is a good idea, instead of giving them lessons on how to defend themselves and fight when necessary.

That is the problem with martial arts, most aren't worth anything and have no sparring at all. Some are sports, and you only practice based on the rules of that sport.

I never said arming anyone is a good idea. Teaching someone to defend themselves is great, but if you read the thread people are giving advice on defense. The first defense is awareness, the second is getting away/screaming/dropping, the third is (in my opinion) to be well trained to use a weapon (rather than your body), and if you must, strike and attack. Most martial arts aren't worth anything and take A LOT of time to learn. Weapons, assorted types, are more effective, and are a serious difference maker.

To be mad at me for stating the obvious is odd.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by 4X4

The whole point of taking a martial art is to train with it. Use it. Advance. What do you think happens at a dojo? People sit at desks and read books on how to kick?

We learn karate, so that we need never use it.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

To be mad at me for stating the obvious is odd.

I don't think anybody was disagreeing that situational awareness is the single biggest factor in making sure you are not attacked. What I think people disagree with was your position that having self defense or martial arts training does nothing to help a person if they ever find themselves being attacked. That kind of training might not be the perfect thing to allow a person to defend an attack; but having some ability to defend yourself is better than nothing.

I will also say that learning self defence at a young age can help; no matter how long you take it or how far you progress. I took Judo for 2 years when I was 11-13. Now Judo is probably the least aggressive of the martial arts. However in my late 20's when I suddenly found myself in a bar fight with guys much bigger than me, I was still able to make use of my training to bring the biggest guy down. That ended up being just enough time to allow the bouncers to get in and break the rest of it up.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I don't think anybody was disagreeing that situational awareness is the single biggest factor in making sure you are not attacked. What I think people disagree with was your position that having self defense or martial arts training does nothing to help a person if they ever find themselves being attacked. That kind of training might not be the perfect thing to allow a person to defend an attack; but having some ability to defend yourself is better than nothing.

Although I don't think it helps much, my point was to say avoidance is the best defense. My thoughts are that if someone trains in Karate and thinks that will help and as a result ignores simple avoidance, they could be in trouble. I don't know how clear I was in saying that. Taking a martial art is not easy, and getting to the point where you can use that skill is another thing altogether. Most people never get to that stage.

Originally Posted by ken0042

I will also say that learning self defence at a young age can help; no matter how long you take it or how far you progress. I took Judo for 2 years when I was 11-13. Now Judo is probably the least aggressive of the martial arts. However in my late 20's when I suddenly found myself in a bar fight with guys much bigger than me, I was still able to make use of my training to bring the biggest guy down. That ended up being just enough time to allow the bouncers to get in and break the rest of it up.

For sure, martial arts can help, I have taken quite a few myself (but I disagree, Judo is one of the most aggressive martial arts based on my experience). Being a guy in a bar is one thing, being a smaller female with someone prepared to jump her from behind is another.

[CaptainCrunch]

I've taken a few martial arts in my time. I also took some hybrid arts and learned the art of dirty fighting when I was in the Military.

On its own against a determined pervert Karate or even Judo might or might not be effective. I've fought guys with martial arts training and usually took the fight when I managed to work my way in close so that I could crush their face with my skull. Or punch em in the throat.

The most important lesson that any girl or any person on the street can learn is to create distance. To escape from someone attacking from the back, and most importantly how to react in a panic creating situation and how to keep their cool.

I remember talking to a girl about this stuff once and she stated that the two most important skills to learn. One how to scream for help really loud, and how to run fast while doing the first.

I don't want to say that martial arts won't help. But if someone doesn't have situational awareness at all time and is shielded by being in a public space, then marital arts won't help much. Any guy can teach a girl how to kick someone in the nuts. Rake her heels down his shin, drive her head back or biting and tearing a 6 inch chunk out of someones forearm, or jamming her thumb into his eye socket.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sometimes the woman's self defense courses are better then a martial discipline. They not only teach the proper mindset, but they also teach you the dirty tricks and in close tactics that they are going to need..

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[malcolmk14]

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