[Signing] Cleary bails out of Flyers deal, back to Detroit.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Red Wings are over the cap and don't really have an easy fix to get under. Could be a chance for the Flames to use their cap space to get an asset for a contract.

i could see them trying to move sammy in a situation where they give up a pick to make it happen. that contract is just bad. though actually he has a nmc, so i doubt he would waive it to go to a team in a rebuild.

Originally Posted by MattyC

Detroit's been a retirement community for years, but they still find ways to make it happen. They do need to find some replacements for Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom soon though. Not that those players can be easily replaced, but they have to come somewhat close or they are looking a pretty bad and rapid downward spiral.

well the sad thing is that the wings have a lot of young talent. they wont the calder cup with contributions from lots of their young guys and also won the traverse city prospects tournament for the first time ever with lots of their young guys playing real well.

unfortunately instead of giving the young guys chances, they keep signing these veterans on the down side of their careers and leaving the young guys in the minors because they still have waiver options.

its a frustrating time to be a wings fan because there is so much to be excited about but they just keep ruining it.

[Cheese]

Not so fast thar partners...Cleary back in Detroit

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431689
Daniel Cleary is heading back to Detroit after all.
The Red Wings announced on Thursday that they have agreed to terms on a one-year contract with the unrestricted free agent forward and he will be flying to Traverse City, Michigan to join the club for camp.
The news comes just days after reports surfaced that he would be with the Philadelphia Flyers on a tryout contract.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Red Wings are over the cap and don't really have an easy fix to get under. Could be a chance for the Flames to use their cap space to get an asset for a contract.

Maybe. I think the wings will put Tootoo, Eaves and Emmerton on waivers before they have to go that route. If they put all 3 down to the AHL they would save just over $2.3 million in cap space. Wings have 26 players under contract and they know 3 players will not be on the team one way or another. They are probably prepared to pay those 3 to play in the AHL before giving up a good asset.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Maybe. I think the wings will put Tootoo, Eaves and Emmerton on waivers before they have to go that route. If they put all 3 down to the AHL they would save just over $2.3 million in cap space. Wings have 26 players under contract and they know 3 players will not be on the team one way or another. They are probably prepared to pay those 3 to play in the AHL before giving up a good asset.

Wouldn't those contracts still count under the new CBA? (no hiding in the minors anymore)

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wouldn't those contracts still count under the new CBA? (no hiding in the minors anymore)

The first $900,000 on each contract is exempt. Emmerton only makes $550,000 so it won't matter with him. Tootoo would be paid $1.9 million but only $1 million would count on the cap. Same goes with Eaves and whatever he makes.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The first $900,000 on each contract is exempt. Emmerton only makes $550,000 so it won't matter with him. Tootoo would be paid $1.9 million but only $1 million would count on the cap. Same goes with Eaves and whatever he makes.

$900k may be exempt, but that doesn't mean you save $900k by sending a guy down. Another player must replace them and with the minimum salary being $525k, the max that can be saved is $375k.

Effectively there is no value, with respect to the cap, in sending a player down.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

$900k may be exempt, but that doesn't mean you save $900k by sending a guy down. Another player must replace them and with the minimum salary being $525k, the max that can be saved is $375k.

Effectively there is no value, with respect to the cap, in sending a player down.

Nobody has to replace those 3. They have 26 players signed and 3 have to go no matter what.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Nobody has to replace those 3. They have 26 players signed and 3 have to go no matter what.

I was speaking generically.

As for Detroit, take the 3 lowest salaries off the numbers (which is effectively what would happen with three guys sent down.

They would still be over the cap, but only when including bonuses.

Things are really tight for them and injuries (excluding LTIR ones) would be a nightmare.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I was speaking generically.

As for Detroit, take the 3 lowest salaries off the numbers (which is effectively what would happen with three guys sent down.

They would still be over the cap, but only when including bonuses.

Things are really tight for them and injuries (excluding LTIR ones) would be a nightmare.

I agree that things are tight for them and for a few other clubs. The reason i went on about this, is that i have seen many posts that think the teams that are tight, are going to give up 1st's, 2nd's or high end prospects. I don't see it playing out like that. Tight teams will just ride out the year being as close to the cap as poosible before even thinking about going that route. If the cap was not projected to go up by $6+ million for next year, i think the flames would be in a great position to take advantage. Don't get me wrong they still might be able to get a better deal this year, but not to the likes of high end prospects, 1st's or 2nd's.

[Enoch Root]

agreed

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Not so fast thar partners...Cleary back in Detroit

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431689
Daniel Cleary is heading back to Detroit after all.
The Red Wings announced on Thursday that they have agreed to terms on a one-year contract with the unrestricted free agent forward and he will be flying to Traverse City, Michigan to join the club for camp.
The news comes just days after reports surfaced that he would be with the Philadelphia Flyers on a tryout contract.

That is great news for both Cleary and the Red Wings. I am sure neither of them wanted to see Cleary moving on to another team, especially one of their new conference rivals.

At $1.75M, Cleary's cap hit seems much more in line with what his production is likely to look like and it won't be too hard for the Red Wings to make room.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That is great news for both Cleary and the Red Wings.

I think this is a dick move by Dan Cleary. Obviously he had a verbal agreement with the Flyers that he was going to sign with them and I am one of those guys that believes you should be good to your word.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think this is a dick move by Dan Cleary. Obviously he had a verbal agreement with the Flyers that he was going to sign with them and I am one of those guys that believes you should be good to your word.

Holmgren had a verbal agreement with Jeff Carter not to trade him, so this looks good on him.

Although it could be argued that this is a good thing for the Flyers as Cleary is saving Holmgren from himself. 3 year term at almost $3 million per would have been crazy for Cleary.

[GreenLantern]

It didn't make sense, the term, the dollar amount and the fact they already have their sights set on Gagne.. to add a third liner like Cleary.

I wonder if it was ever true.

[liamenator]

It seems the original contract with PHI reported was way off base. The TSN article notes that Cleary "would be with the Philadelphia Flyers on a tryout contract."

It makes a hell of a lot more sense if this was the case--of course he is going to take guaranteed money over a tryout contract.

[PeteLFan]

The PTO was because Philly can't sign him outright due to the cap, they can sign him after Oct 1 to the 3 year deal.

Cleary is a piece of crap, and always has been.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think this is a dick move by Dan Cleary. Obviously he had a verbal agreement with the Flyers that he was going to sign with them and I am one of those guys that believes you should be good to your word.

A PTO is slightly different than a verbal agreement. I'm sure they all (GM, players, agents) could have sat in a room and said "Yes, this is a great idea" but in the end Cleary only had a tryout for a contract from the Flyers.

The Red Wings gave him a real contract to sign and he signed it.

I do not see how this looks bad on Cleary at all. He could have had an amazing camp and the Flyers still didn't have to sign him to anything.

Its really just one of those "One in the hand beats two in the bush" business deals. Most people would go the same route that Cleary did and that is ignoring the fact that it means he doesn't have to uproot his family and move to a new city after living in Detroit for nearly a decade.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think this is a dick move by Dan Cleary. Obviously he had a verbal agreement with the Flyers that he was going to sign with them and I am one of those guys that believes you should be good to your word.

Seems to me like he did the Flyers a favour here.

[Canada 02]

This reminds me of Jeremy Roenick "signing with the Flames" according to TSN, only to re-sign with the Coyotes an hour/day? later

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Wolven

A PTO is slightly different than a verbal agreement. I'm sure they all (GM, players, agents) could have sat in a room and said "Yes, this is a great idea" but in the end Cleary only had a tryout for a contract from the Flyers..

Ahh, I was not aware it was a PTO, I thought they had agreed on a contract. That changes things.