Knight is definitely ahead of B. Jones on the depth chart
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Now somebody please explain how "lack of experience" is the problem here ? It's clearly not.
It is ridiculous how often a rebuild mode is being mentioned, where in fact our future core will likely see very little NHL ice time.
This is IMHO what a rebuilding lineup would look like:
I may be wrong but to me it seems that the Flames still live in the shadow of young guns era, afraid to sacrifice one or two seasons to gain an advantage in the long run.
It's beating a dead horse but there's no guarantee that bottom feeding for 2 years will put us any further ahead than if we try to compete. The Oilers have a tonne of high draft picks from bottom feeding but remain a perrenial loser because they've bred a culture of losing. There is no doubt that Feaster is re-tooling by trading Iggy, JBo, Tanguay, and by not swinging for the fences during UFA frenzy. But there's no need to trade every single player on the roster that has some NHL experience. Sure if we are near the bottom at the trade deadline then get some assets for Cammalleri, Stempniak etc. But why don't we see how this roster performs for a couple of months before completely writing them off. Expectations are low but teams surprise every year, lets see what happens
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The Oilers have a tonne of high draft picks from bottom feeding but remain a perrenial loser because they've bred a culture of losing.
The Oilers remain a perennial loser because they don't know how to put a team together. For years, they have kept adding to their one area of strength (skilled forwards without much grit, mostly wingers) and ignoring their numerous holes. This summer, MacTavish finally began making a few moves to fill the holes, but they still have a long way to go.
The Flames, sad to say, have been in much the same situation, except that until this past year, they were cobbled together out of a somewhat better grade of odds and ends. They've been weak at centre since 1995, and have lacked depth in goal since Turek left nine years ago. (By the time they finally found a decent backup in MacDonald, their starter was washed up.) For the rest, they kept making reactive moves to shove their holes around the depth chart: not enough scoring, not enough defence, too slow, too small they've had at least one of those problems every year, and couldn't fix one without creating another. And through it all, they have had a positive genius for hiring coaches and management staff who are poorly suited to work with each other or with the kind of players they had on the roster.
The biggest difference I see between the teams is the bias of their respective fans and media. The media have an inexplicable love affair with the Oilers, and keep peddling the myth that the glory days of the 1980s are somehow destined to return. The same media have a much more understandable, but still irrational, hate on for the Flames, and consistently expect them to be worse than they are. The contrast between expectations and results, year after year, makes the Flames a low-key tragedy and the Oilers an unintentional farce. The Flames are Charlie Brown trying to kick the football; the Oilers are more like Snoopy pretending to be a flying ace.
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The Oilers remain a perennial loser because they don't know how to put a team together. For years, they have kept adding to their one area of strength (skilled forwards without much grit, mostly wingers) and ignoring their numerous holes. This summer, MacTavish finally began making a few moves to fill the holes, but they still have a long way to go.
The Flames, sad to say, have been in much the same situation, except that until this past year, they were cobbled together out of a somewhat better grade of odds and ends. They've been weak at centre since 1995, and have lacked depth in goal since Turek left nine years ago. (By the time they finally found a decent backup in MacDonald, their starter was washed up.) For the rest, they kept making reactive moves to shove their holes around the depth chart: not enough scoring, not enough defence, too slow, too small they've had at least one of those problems every year, and couldn't fix one without creating another. And through it all, they have had a positive genius for hiring coaches and management staff who are poorly suited to work with each other or with the kind of players they had on the roster.
The biggest difference I see between the teams is the bias of their respective fans and media. The media have an inexplicable love affair with the Oilers, and keep peddling the myth that the glory days of the 1980s are somehow destined to return. The same media have a much more understandable, but still irrational, hate on for the Flames, and consistently expect them to be worse than they are. The contrast between expectations and results, year after year, makes the Flames a low-key tragedy and the Oilers an unintentional farce. The Flames are Charlie Brown trying to kick the football; the Oilers are more like Snoopy pretending to be a flying ace.
Sig'd. Well spoken, sir.
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I think one thing is for sure, it's going to be fast. These young guys are going to be going hard every night, otherwise they just may get some more farm time!
Definitely don't see any issue in facing the realism of the current lack of talent. That certainly doesn't mean they'll give up and roll over as a result.
Well if this group thinks they will win games by not busting their hump every night they'll easily finish dead last in the league. Even if they show up and outwork their opponent and play smarter every single game, they win half their games. These are grown men, no sense in BS'ing them. The only way these guys will earn respect is if they do work hard and make the effort to play smart as a team. If thats the message they're given, they maybe play with a chip on their shoulder and go out trying to earn some respect.
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I could see a rotation of players going back and forth to the Heat. Namely Knight, Horak, Reinhart, Street and Granlund, depending on who's hot and who's cold.
Well if this group thinks they will win games by not busting their hump every night they'll easily finish dead last in the league. Even if they show up and outwork their opponent and play smarter every single game, they win half their games. These are grown men, no sense in BS'ing them. The only way these guys will earn respect is if they do work hard and make the effort to play smart as a team. If thats the message they're given, they maybe play with a chip on their shoulder and go out trying to earn some respect.
Which is why i'm more excited about this year then probably any of the last 5. I don't care if this team loses just go out and give it an effort 80 percent of the games.
I'm tired of watching the floating and half assed efforts of the previous years. Bang some bodies, crash the net, drop the gloves. It still remains to be seen whether these moves will translate into that but it's looking more promising then pervious years.
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Jones - 114 NHL games played.
Knight - 0 appearances in a NHL uniform, not even pre-season.
It's obvious how the depth chart stacks up. Knight is the man.
Well, paperbag all you want but my money is on Knight to play for the big club more than Blair Jones this year. For whatever reasonattitude or compete-level, B Jones seemed to bother Hartley quite a bit last season. Hartley was happy to have Jones sit out or play with Heat last season, even when injuries really opened up the centre position. Remember when Hartley played Blake Comeau at centre rather than give Jones even a look?
I'd be very surprised if Blair Jones gets any time with the Flames this year.
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Jones - 114 NHL games played.
Knight - 0 appearances in a NHL uniform, not even pre-season.
It's obvious how the depth chart stacks up. Knight is the man.
You're right I guess! I mean, I suppose O'Brien and Butler are higher on the depth chart than Brodie, and Tim Jackman is higher than Baertschi. But hey sound logic bro. Might want to hold onto that paper bag just in case.
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Jones - 114 NHL games played.
Knight - 0 appearances in a NHL uniform, not even pre-season.
It's obvious how the depth chart stacks up. Knight is the man.
Bit of an overly simplistic analysis don't you think? Knight couldn't possibly have played an NHL preseason or regular season game yet since he just left college. Jones meanwhile was in the coach's doghouse all year last year despite a massive depth problem at centre. The coaches played players out if position at centre instead of using Jones. That was a pretty clear signal that Jones is not in their favour.
It really isn't much of a stretch based on Knight's NHL readiness after 4 seasons of college and Jones's demotion last year to suggest that Knight will overtake Jones if not in training camp then at some point in the first half the season.
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There is no doubt that Feaster is re-tooling by trading Iggy, JBo, Tanguay, and by not swinging for the fences during UFA frenzy. But there's no need to trade every single player on the roster that has some NHL experience. Sure if we are near the bottom at the trade deadline then get some assets for Cammalleri, Stempniak etc. But why don't we see how this roster performs for a couple of months before completely writing them off. Expectations are low but teams surprise every year, lets see what happens
Re-tooling is good and I agree that the rebuild needs to have a balance between the youth and the vets, but right now the balance isn't there. Even after trading away 3 of our best players we still have too many vets on the roster to make room for even a minor youth movement.
Our forward group barely looks to have room for Sven and Knight, much less anyone else. Our D group is showing the exact same trend with Brodie on his second season and no room to promote anyone else.
We have brought in some exciting young players from other teams but I would like to see the Flames take another step soon to move a couple more vets out and try to push a couple more players forward.
Re-tooling is good and I agree that the rebuild needs to have a balance between the youth and the vets, but right now the balance isn't there. Even after trading away 3 of our best players we still have too many vets on the roster to make room for even a minor youth movement.
Our forward group barely looks to have room for Sven and Knight, much less anyone else. Our D group is showing the exact same trend with Brodie on his second season and no room to promote anyone else.
We have brought in some exciting young players from other teams but I would like to see the Flames take another step soon to move a couple more vets out and try to push a couple more players forward.
I think we are in a good spot with our forward group as I assume pending UFA's will be traded at the deadline. Cammy, Stajan, Stempniak, Jackman possibly Galliardi will be dealt around Christmas to the deadline. The kids will take over after that. I also don't think Jay will say no to moving the likes of Hudler if the right deal comes along.
For D I see Butler, Smith and Russel being moved if we are out of the mix as they are pending UFA's. I don't think Jay will be worried to move SOB, or maybe Wideman if the interest is there.
The Flames have some nice pending UFA assets that can get them 2nd/3rd/4th round picks and youngish players or prospects. There is no reason to go totally young in October. Injuries happen, and the Flames have said several times over the course of the summer that they are going to give the kids a chance and if 2 players are similar they go with the kid. Doing nothing in Free Agency leads me to believe they will do what they say.
I think we are in a good spot with our forward group as I assume pending UFA's will be traded at the deadline. Cammy, Stajan, Stempniak, Jackman possibly Galliardi will be dealt around Christmas to the deadline. The kids will take over after that. I also don't think Jay will say no to moving the likes of Hudler if the right deal comes along.
For D I see Butler, Smith and Russel being moved if we are out of the mix as they are pending UFA's. I don't think Jay will be worried to move SOB, or maybe Wideman if the interest is there.
The Flames have some nice pending UFA assets that can get them 2nd/3rd/4th round picks and youngish players or prospects. There is no reason to go totally young in October. Injuries happen, and the Flames have said several times over the course of the summer that they are going to give the kids a chance and if 2 players are similar they go with the kid. Doing nothing in Free Agency leads me to believe they will do what they say.
I agree with the majority of your post, but since when has Feaster done anything that he's says he's going to?
The guy says things like they're a sure thing, and almost seems to take credit for his genius actions without ever managing to accomplish them. But it's the thought that counts I suppose.
Whenever Feaster opens his mouth in regards to one of his master plans, I'm always reminded of Chris Farley in this scene
I think we are in a good spot with our forward group as I assume pending UFA's will be traded at the deadline. Cammy, Stajan, Stempniak, Jackman possibly Galliardi will be dealt around Christmas to the deadline. The kids will take over after that. I also don't think Jay will say no to moving the likes of Hudler if the right deal comes along.
For D I see Butler, Smith and Russel being moved if we are out of the mix as they are pending UFA's. I don't think Jay will be worried to move SOB, or maybe Wideman if the interest is there.
The Flames have some nice pending UFA assets that can get them 2nd/3rd/4th round picks and youngish players or prospects. There is no reason to go totally young in October. Injuries happen, and the Flames have said several times over the course of the summer that they are going to give the kids a chance and if 2 players are similar they go with the kid. Doing nothing in Free Agency leads me to believe they will do what they say.
I doubt all of those players get moved, especially galliardi and Russell
