Smoking banned near playgrounds...effective Thursday

[pylon]

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but if you ban this, you also have to ban either kids from campgrounds, or campfires from campgrounds, because the smoke from them is far more harmful.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

The cost impact of smoking and obesity on the public health system is not known. Smokers and obese people usually die earlier than non-smokers and non-obese people; thus, relieving the health system of the most expensive nursing home years of those in their 80's and 90's, when the health care costs are peaking.

I just really hate nanny-state bans such as this one (for the record, I quit smoking 15 years ago). Almost each and every one of Orwell's predictions are coming true. Governments don't know what's good for you and by telling us what's good they take away people's ability to think critically and to decide for themselves. History proves it over and over again. Witches and heretics were burned at stake for the good of the people too based on the best quality research and advice available to the rulers in those times.

So in some future time it will be shown that smoking is good for you?

I think that the usage of the health care system by smokers and the obese is greater than non-smokers/non-obese.

I thought mursing homes were private and pay per use set up.

[GrrlGoalie33]

This will be enforced about as much as alcohol on city diamonds is enforced. I played ball on city diamonds for 10 years, and not once did a cop ever come to see what we were drinking.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Maybe we should do both, tax junk food and educate.

I agree, provided the goal of any tax is to cover costs and not to disuade use.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So in some future time it will be shown that smoking is good for you?...

Sarcasm noted. But, can you bet your life that it will never be?

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

...
I think that the usage of the health care system by smokers and the obese is greater than non-smokers/non-obese...

and I think differently. All I am saying there is no reliable data on this comparison. But I do know that seniors' care costs are enormous.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

...I thought mursing homes were private and pay per use set up.

Not all of them. There are fully-funded nursing homes owned by AHS and non-profits, assisted living facilities that are private and semi-private and private nursing homes. All residents receive supplement that is used towards the cost of living in the facility. Not sure about today's supplement amount, but a couple of years ago it was approximately $80/bed/night x 30.5 = $2,500/month on average, which is just living cost. Medical costs are extra.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

and I think differently. All I am saying there is no reliable data on this comparison. But I do know that seniors' care costs are enormous.


Not all of them. There are fully-funded nursing homes owned by AHS and non-profits, assisted living facilities that are private and semi-private and private nursing homes. All residents receive supplement that is used towards the cost of living in the facility. Not sure about today's supplement amount, but a couple of years ago it was approximately $80/bed/night x 30.5 = $2,500/month on average, which is just living cost. Medical costs are extra.

I would like to see some data on that comparision.

Maybe the Inuit had it right we should just stick them on an ice flow.....

Second part thanks.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

I agree, provided the goal of any tax is to cover costs and not to disuade use.

Fine first part will the goal, second part is a value added bonus.....