[News] Avalanche to pass on Seth Jones to take forward

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Here is a suggestion.

What if FLA really wants Mackinnon but COL is bluffing. The Avs fishing for additional assets while still getting Jones. ie FLA trades up to 1st overall.

I don't think the Av's are bluffing. IF Florida does trade up to get Mackinnon, i dont think the av's will take Jones at #2.

I would not have taken Jones at #1 either so i am not sure why some posters think they are idiots for not wanting him. I actualy would also take Drouin over Jones. I think Jones is going to be a great d-man, but i dont think he is going to play a physical game.

[Miniac]

Wish the Flames had won the 1st overall pick so we could be playing these mind games and bluffs with the rest of the league.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't think the Av's are bluffing. IF Florida does trade up to get Mackinnon, i dont think the av's will take Jones at #2.

I would not have taken Jones at #1 either so i am not sure why some posters think they are idiots for not wanting him. I actualy would also take Drouin over Jones. I think Jones is going to be a great d-man, but i dont think he is going to play a physical game.

I think your right, Drouin might be the one they actually will take.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Any team with interest in building a cup contender should take note that Carolina is the only cup winner like ever without a franchise stud dman.

Tampa?

[djsFlames]

All I know is if Colorado takes MacKinnon or Barkov then they're not being 'intellectually honest'. They'll have 4 skilled centres that should all be in the top 2. Everything they're missing is on the back end. And if this is to allow some pieces to become expendable in order to acquire positions of need through trade, I think banking on another team willing to offer you exactly what you need for a price you can agree on is an awfully stupid way to approach it.

[3 Justin 3]

F*** the Colorado Avalanche.

Duchene, Landeskog, O'Reilly, and to a lesser extent Stastny and they also get the 1st overall which will probably be MacKinnon.

This BS isn't fair. Penguins have Crosby and Malkin.

Bettman, come on. Throws the Flames like 10 bones.

/bitter

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

Tampa?

Boyle

[flylock shox]

It only makes sense that they would announce this if they a) are trying to drive up the value of their pick in trade; and b) they actually aren't going to take Jones.

It does tend to suggest they might be trying to squeeze something out of the other teams in the top 4 - or one of them. That way they can drop a few slots, pick up some assets, and still get one of thev guys they said they wanted all along.

I wouldn't be shocked if Jones fell as far as 5th, though it sounds like Florida likely won't let that happen by most accounts.

It's going to be a hell of a fun day.

[trackercowe]

^ Any team could have taken Stastny or O'Reilly. The only two players the Avs really got for tanking was Duchene and Landeskog. Still pretty bad, but not as pathetically bad as the teams in the South East.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

F*** the Colorado Avalanche.

Duchene, Landeskog, O'Reilly, and to a lesser extent Stastny and they also get the 1st overall which will probably be MacKinnon.

This BS isn't fair. Penguins have Crosby and Malkin.

Bettman, come on. Throws the Flames like 10 bones.

/bitter

You saw how hard those losers tanked.

Pathetic even with the embarrassment of riches they had prior to this. The Flames at least never threw in the towel, even with an AHL roster. (well maybe management did). But I think we're getting some good hockey karma with the Knight deal, perhaps more to come.

[Jables16]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't think the Av's are bluffing. IF Florida does trade up to get Mackinnon, i dont think the av's will take Jones at #2.

I would not have taken Jones at #1 either so i am not sure why some posters think they are idiots for not wanting him. I actualy would also take Drouin over Jones. I think Jones is going to be a great d-man, but i dont think he is going to play a physical game.

I'm hoping this is just poor phrasing on your part but why is your opinion more valid than anyone else's on this board?

I think they're crazy not to take him considering their organizational dearth of defensemen both on the big club and in the system. Also of course his skill, size, hockey IQ, and pedigree.

Beside that, why announce this. Has anyone ever publically declared their intentions like this when it comes to a first overall. What is there to gain that couldn't be accomplished by serving up the same line privately in trade talks?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

F*** the Colorado Avalanche.

Duchene, Landeskog, O'Reilly, and to a lesser extent Stastny and they also get the 1st overall which will probably be MacKinnon.

This BS isn't fair. Penguins have Crosby and Malkin.

Bettman, come on. Throws the Flames like 10 bones.

/bitter

We're the Flames. We do everything the hard way.

[sureLoss]

Could very well be a tactic to scare up more trade offers for the 1st overall.

Sakic is trying to dispel the notion that they will take automatically Jones with the 1st pick leaving the top 3 forwards to Florida, Tampa or Nashville.

Perhaps David Polie wakes up in the middle of the night with the cold sweats and offers the Avs a deal tomorrow.

[SebC]

Everyone's assuming that it will be Jones or MacKinnon, but it wouldn't surprise me if they pick Drouin, who's the top scorer the Q has produced since Crosby.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Well the last d taken #1 plays for them and they may see a lesson there.

This could be to save Jones embarrassment and grief. If sakic knows him he might not want to mess with him with a shocker on draft day.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

In a way this shouldn't be surprising at all and for a few reasons. Roy is coming straight out of the QMJHL and has scouted Drouin and MacKinnon firsthand. The top 3-4 are so close that you can differentiate between them based on whatever criteria you want. Position, size, nationality, etc. For us Drouin seems to make the least sense because two of our best prospects are small, skilled LWers. In Colorado's case this may just be a preference for the guys Roy loves or a wariness about defensemen development and how long it takes. Certainly a forward is much more likely to step in and make an impact, be a star within the first year or two. And certainly Roy has seen a lot of Drouin and MacKinnon and both are special players. I don't think we could fault any team for having any one of MacKinnon, Drouin, Jones or Barkov at #1. A case be made for all of them. I think some people think MacKinnon should be the slamdunk #1 when that isn't really the case at all this year, the top 4 are so close.

Seems like the Avs wouldn't mind dealing down a spot or two and still grabbing a MacKinnon/Drouin at #2 or #3.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think it is definitely trying to drive up the price. I am sure the Avs would be happy to draft anyone in the top 4. Organizationally, they definitely prefer Jones.

They are hoping either Florida or Tampa bites, and they get to draft Jones. They have been saying all along that they are not willing to drop out of the top 3. If Jones is drafted by Tampa (risk there, not so much with Florida who REALLY need a top center to play with Huberdeau), they will just draft MacKinnon or Drouin. Trade Stastny during the summer, perhaps even ROR since it seems he was a 'problem' for them.

Regardless of whatever happens, Avs are in a win-win situation, and they know it. Might as well maximize their assets as best as they can - the only smart thing to do.

Tampa didn't do this with the whole Stamkos ads pre-draft. He was by far the consensus #1. They were also trying to market him for the season ticket holders. There was no way anyone was going to trade down from that 1st pick that year. Doughty went number 2, but if I remember correctly, Stamkos was by FAR the consensus pick, and I am not sure there were any deviations away from him that year.

[The Swedish Flame]

"Uh... defence anyone?" - No one in Denver

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Tampa didn't do this with the whole Stamkos ads pre-draft.

Yeah, if "Seen Stamkos" was what Colorado was going for it doesn't make a ton of sense to only narrow it down to three.

[Textcritic]

^
It is not "dumb" for the Avs to "show their hand" like this. Even if they had no intentions of trading the #1 pick, what do they lose by making their preferences public before the draft takes place? They are picking first overall unless THEY DECIDE otherwise. Different from every other team who picks after them, the Avs don't need to worry AT ALL about losing the player they want because of their inability to effectively bluff.