Calgary offers picks 6, 22, 28 for the first overall: no dice

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Joborule

One single player doesn't make you a cup contending team though. As Pens (and Islanders) have shown this year, one (or even two) player doesn't mean you'll make it to the final.

Great teams are made with several good players that contribute. And those players generally come from the draft. MacKinnon is a talent for sure, but with how bare Flames cupboard is with top notch prospects, it's better to take advantage of this deep draft and have multiple 1st rounders that could contribute to your team down the road.

Not going to argue that you need more than one single player, but you are forgetting that the flames will be bottom 3 next year to add to McKinnon.

Also you are assuming that the 2 latter picks from this year will be gold. They could easily not project the way you hope. McKinnon is a franchise player.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

So it is Jay Feaster's fault that his team outperformed down the stretch?
He traded his two best players and started a career backup goaltender to finish the season out. There is no doubt he would have preferred to select higher in the draft himself, but sometimes these things just don't work out.

There is absolutely nothing he could have done to prevent any of this from materializing.

I agree, it just feels better to blame somebody Feaster was vocal about not losing down the stretch; But, absolutely the young guys were on a role, maybe they should have been benched!!

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

yeah and would you trade 3 first rounders for him? Especially with one of them at #6. Maybe 3 1st rounders in the mid 20s.

I suppose to be fair, the Yakupov deal would be Hampus Lindholm, Olli Maata and Brady Skjei for him. Its too hard to know whether that would be a good deal at this point though. Some of them look good, but only one played in the NHL so far. You won't really know who win a deal for years in this case.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Joborule

One single player doesn't make you a cup contending team though.

But they put butts in the seats, it's a business first and for most.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

What, four 1st round draft picks isn't overpayment for MacKinnon?

Including next years first would be crazy with how our team will likely finish next season.

Honestly, the Flames could throw in Backlund, and a second, on top of the three firsts and I'd still be on board, and I think the people saying this was a bad offer and Feaster should be fired are out to lunch, but the minute you add in next years first with McDavid available and the Flames being a basement dwelling team on paper, you jump into bat**** crazyville, imo.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Avs and Flames are in completely different situations. Quite frankly Avs underachieved this season, and have a good pool of youth to work off of right now. MacKinnon is a great addition to push them further.

Flames however are rebuilding from not much of a foundation. That's why in this context I view having three first rounders in a deep draft is better than having the first overall pick, who likely will be a franchise player.

Flames DO still have a chance of picking up a franchise player since they get their first pick at 6th, and could perhaps find a steal in the 20s. At worst, Flames should have three very serviceable players that contribute well. That will help them get more post season success than one player can.

For the record, I really, really like MacKinnon, but I am also glad the Avs turned it down.....I'm excited about having three first rounders in whats supposed to be a deep draft.

I also think we'll get a really, really good player at #6, and that we'll be better off in the long run keeping our picks, and taking three solid prospects.

Stil, the deal isn't that much of an over payment that the pitch fork crew needs to be screaming bloody murder over it. If it was, the Avs wouldn't have turned it down.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Slava

I suppose to be fair, the Yakupov deal would be Hampus Lindholm, Olli Maata and Brady Skjei for him. Its too hard to know whether that would be a good deal at this point though. Some of them look good, but only one played in the NHL so far. You won't really know who win a deal for years in this case.

Im not even sure winning the deal is important. If both teams become better and the flames get McKinnon that's ok too.

[Yoho]

I wonder if Nashville would take a similar deal + or -

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Including next years first would be crazy with how our team will likely finish next season.

Honestly, the Flames could throw in Backlund, and a second, on top of the three firsts and I'd still be on board, and I think the people saying this was a bad offer and Feaster should be fired are out to lunch, but the minute you add in next years first with McDavid available and the Flames being a basement dwelling team on paper, you jump into bat**** crazyville, imo.

I think the only way the Avs would trade the 1st to us is if we included the 3 firsts + Brodie/Sven. Also, McDavid is 2015, Reinhart/Ekblad is next years crop.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I wonder if Nashville would take a similar deal + or -

Better be "-"

#4 is no where near as good as #1

[Badger Bob]

From the Avs perspective, it's not even a question of whether this proposed trade is overpayment/underpayment. Sakic/Roy wouldn't be able to handle the PR fallout from giving up Seth Jones.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not going to argue that you need more than one single player, but you are forgetting that the flames will be bottom 3 next year to add to McKinnon.

Also you are assuming that the 2 latter picks from this year will be gold. They could easily not project the way you hope. McKinnon is a franchise player.

That's true, but if Flames finish bottom 3. They can get a great player in next year draft, along with the three players they got from this draft, rather than one. Even if all three don't pan out to their draft expectations, they got three shots in at least one of them being a possible core player. The others could perhaps be strong secondary cast players that you need for contending teams.

Originally Posted by T@T

But they put butts in the seats, it's a business first and for most.

Flames will get butts in the seats no matter what. The 04' run has resurrected their fanbase and now that they're finally being honest and doing a rebuild, fans will stick with them.

[StrykerSteve]

Love that Calgary made the offer. Doesn't surprise me that the Avs turned it down though.

I'd make all sorts of offers and see what it takes. But, they probably have a better chance of doing the deal with the Panthers.

Roster players, prospects, picks, any combination should be up for grabs for MacKinnon.

[Stupid]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Add next years 1st

Take away this year's first then... Everybody has Calgary penned for top 5 if not top pick next year, sell the speculations.

[GirlySports]

The Flames will never finish in the bottom 5. They just don't know how to do it.

especially next year they dont have those bums iginla and bouw around.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I wonder if Nashville would take a similar deal + or -

6, 22, 28 for 4th?
That is terrible. There is no way you can sell that to an entire fanbase, even if you personally feel that a player like Barkov is on the level of Mackinnon.

[Ashasx]

I'd be willing to make the same offer to Florida.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not going to argue that you need more than one single player, but you are forgetting that the flames will be bottom 3 next year to add to McKinnon.

Also you are assuming that the 2 latter picks from this year will be gold. They could easily not project the way you hope. McKinnon is a franchise player.

Daigle was once viewed as a franchise player once too.

In a sense I'm glad to hear what we heard tonight and the 3 firsts (or 1st and 4 2nds) will jump start this rebuild faster than pinning everything on a great young player.

Look at TB with Stamkos and Car with E Staal. Fantastic players but without a supporting cast they both finished in bottom 5.

Stock the cupboards and suck up the next 2-3 years. Do it the right way and don't take shortcuts.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

For the record, I really, really like MacKinnon, but I am also glad the Avs turned it down.....I'm excited about having three first rounders in whats supposed to be a deep draft.

I also think we'll get a really, really good player at #6, and that we'll be better off in the long run keeping our picks, and taking three solid prospects.

Stil, the deal isn't that much of an over payment that the pitch fork crew needs to be screaming bloody murder over it. If it was, the Avs wouldn't have turned it down.

I don't view it as an overpayment either. I just don't think it's a deal that the Flames should make since the position they're in right now is a very ideal spot to be in when you're in year 1 of a rebuild.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The Flames will never finish in the bottom 5. They just don't know how to do it.

If flames don't finish in the bottom 5 next year with what they have on paper now, then Hartley should be up for the Jack Adams award.