What could Calgary do to move up in the draft rankings to acquire Nathan MacKinnon? - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Erick Estrada · 05-09-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitch

Why would Florida trade down?

I know we all love Sven but if the Panthers really want MacKinnon I don't think our #6 pick and Sven will get it done. I don't believe Sven carries the value around the league that Flames fans think he does. He's seen by most as a solid prospect but not a franchise player. He may be our franchise player one day but that's more to do with our dearth of prospects and elite players and the reason this draft is so critical for the organization.

Phanuthier · 05-09-2013, 11:04 AM

Damn Steve Begin...

The Yen Man · 05-09-2013, 11:06 AM

And Jimmy Howard...

Phanuthier · 05-09-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

And Jimmy Howard...

useless tit screwed over our draft pick

the_only_turek_fan · 05-09-2013, 12:13 PM

^ Might as well blame the weather as well.

Remember the Flames beat the Canucks after they landed 1 hour before game time.

Phanuthier · 05-09-2013, 12:17 PM

ok

Huntingwhale · 05-09-2013, 12:17 PM

This thread makes me even more angry knowing that we would have been in the top 3 if freakin Tampa, Carolina and Nashville wouldn't have tanked worse then we did. All 3 of those teams were in playoffs spots at some point during the year, but no, they just had to sneak in and take that spot away from us.

Eff all those teams, I hope their franchises suck for the next decade.

Tyler · 05-09-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

This thread makes me even more angry knowing that we would have been in the top 3 if freakin Tampa, Carolina and Nashville wouldn't have tanked worse then we did. All 3 of those teams were in playoffs spots at some point during the year, but no, they just had to sneak in and take that spot away from us.

Eff all those teams, I hope their franchises suck for the next decade.

They probably won't because they tanked this year and got a franchise player. Dang!

loob job · 05-09-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

I would hope we don't give up too much for him. MacKinnon stock is sliding, and many have him now going 3rd. The drop off to 6 is not as huge as posters are making it out to be.

Mackinnons stock is not sliding. If you watch him play in the playoffs which i do, he's doing anything but sliding. He's as good as gone at no. 2.

StrykerSteve · 05-09-2013, 12:33 PM

He's got 10G, 21A, 31P in 16GP in this year's playoffs.

And yet people here are worried about giving up too much to get him. You'd be hard-pressed to have all 3 1st round picks score 31 points combined in 16 playoff games.

If you have a shot at getting this guy, you take it and don't look back.

MoneyGuy · 05-09-2013, 12:42 PM

It would cost a lot to trade up for McKinnon. I think it starts at the No. 6 + Sven, a price I'm pretty sure the fans wouldn't accept. I don't know if team management would do that. I could see them trading up to No. 4 or 5 for maybe Barkov.

Fighting Banana Slug · 05-09-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

He's got 10G, 21A, 31P in 16GP in this year's playoffs.

And yet people here are worried about giving up too much to get him. You'd be hard-pressed to have all 3 1st round picks score 31 points combined in 16 playoff games.

If you have a shot at getting this guy, you take it and don't look back.

Unless the ultimate goal is to Oiler-suck for 3+ years and nab McDavid, we can't afford to give up multiple firsts and blue chippers for one guy. Love Mackinnon, but we don't have the depth of prospects or NHL talent to make a move like this. We aren't talking about Sid, he is a guy that might be sorta-like Sid, or not.

snipetype · 05-09-2013, 01:42 PM

ok seriously,
do you guys watch the games or do you just sit here and blog.
Sven is an elite talent: his playmaking ability greatly improves the play of those around him; he has elite vision and finish; he has proven it at the nhl (maybe not enough but i am convinced). At this point would you trade Sven for Taylor Hall or RNH, or Yakupov straight up? I know, at this point I would always take Sven's competitive nature. Those guys were number ones. Why would we trade our best young player, and the number 6 draft pick (in rumoured to be the deepest draft in history). That sounds like crack-smoking logic to me.
The same goes for TJ Brodie. Kid is going to be a stud, you could see it 3 years ago as soon as his sweet skates hit the ice. He could already be the best skater in the NHL, give him some more time and he is going to be able to take over games for 25 minutes a night (something a team like the panters for ex can not say.) Defencemen are hard to find and this kid has a chance to be the best dman since Al Mckinnis.. No way Should we trade him..

The only way I make a trade for Mackinnon, or Barkov (48 in 53 in pro hockey wow!!!), is by trading draft picks, decent players (aka glencross, giordano, maybe stempniak) and marginal prospects (basically anybody but Gaudreau, reinhart)..
We need to build a team.. look at all the teams with forward Star Power.. Chicago(88, hossa and 19), Pittsburgh(87 and malkin) , Philly (giroux), Detroit(datsyuk zetterberg), Tampa(St. Louis Stammers), NYI (Tavares), Ducks(Getz and Perry), NJ (koval), SJ (thorton and couture), Van (sedin)

none of those teams except for Chicago, SJ and Maybe Pitt are going to win the cup. Its the good TEAMS that are the true threat for the cup (ok chicago is my favourite by far but) St Louis, LA Boston are all three of the best TEAMS in the nhl. They have 3 strong lines and good top 4 and solid goaltending. Look at how pittsburgh plays when Crosby is in there, not as good everyone expects sid to carry the load. This was the flames problem for so long. We had two good players (iginla and kipper) who could only do so much. We need brodie and Baertschi moving forward. If we trade all 3 first rounders i wouldn't bat an eyelash because those are unproven 18 year old kids but to trade players who will be impact nhl's along with a first round pick (6) is just insanity.

saillias · 05-09-2013, 01:50 PM

There will probably never be another draft like 2003 and we're talking about this one like it's a given it's the next 2003.

That 2nd overall pick blows the 6th out of the water, 9 times out of 10. I'd be happy to see a significant offer put together to move up.

PlayfulGenius · 05-09-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

ok seriously,
do you guys watch the games or do you just sit here and blog.
Sven is an elite talent: his playmaking ability greatly improves the play of those around him; he has elite vision and finish; he has proven it at the nhl (maybe not enough but i am convinced). At this point would you trade Sven for Taylor Hall or RNH, or Yakupov straight up? I know, at this point I would always take Sven's competitive nature. Those guys were number ones. Why would we trade our best young player, and the number 6 draft pick (in rumoured to be the deepest draft in history). That sounds like crack-smoking logic to me.
The same goes for TJ Brodie. Kid is going to be a stud, you could see it 3 years ago as soon as his sweet skates hit the ice. He could already be the best skater in the NHL, give him some more time and he is going to be able to take over games for 25 minutes a night (something a team like the panters for ex can not say.) Defencemen are hard to find and this kid has a chance to be the best dman since Al Mckinnis.. No way Should we trade him..

The only way I make a trade for Mackinnon, or Barkov (48 in 53 in pro hockey wow!!!), is by trading draft picks, decent players (aka glencross, giordano, maybe stempniak) and marginal prospects (basically anybody but Gaudreau, reinhart)..
We need to build a team.. look at all the teams with forward Star Power.. Chicago(88, hossa and 19), Pittsburgh(87 and malkin) , Philly (giroux), Detroit(datsyuk zetterberg), Tampa(St. Louis Stammers), NYI (Tavares), Ducks(Getz and Perry), NJ (koval), SJ (thorton and couture), Van (sedin)

none of those teams except for Chicago, SJ and Maybe Pitt are going to win the cup. Its the good TEAMS that are the true threat for the cup (ok chicago is my favourite by far but) St Louis, LA Boston are all three of the best TEAMS in the nhl. They have 3 strong lines and good top 4 and solid goaltending. Look at how pittsburgh plays when Crosby is in there, not as good everyone expects sid to carry the load. This was the flames problem for so long. We had two good players (iginla and kipper) who could only do so much. We need brodie and Baertschi moving forward. If we trade all 3 first rounders i wouldn't bat an eyelash because those are unproven 18 year old kids but to trade players who will be impact nhl's along with a first round pick (6) is just insanity.

Hell ya, I would... as would 30/30 NHL GMs.. perhaps not for RNH but only based on injury issues, perhaps, but I still think anyone makes that deal.

Not to be a jerk, but you're a bit out to lunch on this assessment.

I do love Sven, though, and I hope he develops into a better player than those you've mentioned, but I certainly don't anticipate it.

PlayfulGenius · 05-09-2013, 01:56 PM

I want Feaster to find a way to trade into the Top 5 without using the 6th overall pick... that would be ideal

Next season's 1st rounder has to be off-limits as well, though.

icarus · 05-09-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by snipetype

the same goes for tj brodie. Kid is going to be a stud, you could see it 3 years ago as soon as his sweet skates hit the ice.

lol

snipetype · 05-09-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Hell ya, I would... as would 30/30 NHL GMs.. perhaps not for RNH but only based on injury issues, perhaps, but I still think anyone makes that deal.

Not to be a jerk, but you're a bit out to lunch on this assessment.

I do love Sven, though, and I hope he develops into a better player than those you've mentioned, but I certainly don't anticipate it.

I agree that they are better players at this point in their career. But as far as offensive potential goes I think his is higher than Hall's. I think he is more competitive than RNH, Yakupov could be the next Bure but i don't want to build a team around a russian (it never seems to work). My point is simply that why would we trade a kid who has can be argued to be as effective a player as past number ones, along with a pick #6 (who would usually go 3 or 4 in most drafts) for another kid that will probably only be slightly better then Sven anyways. If Sean Monahon falls i hear the kid is like a toews, 6'2'' hits; wins faceoffs; scores.. or nichuskin who some say could be the best NHL talent in the draft.
Doesn't make sense to trade 2 bluechips for one stud.. not with the amount of help this franchise needs.

snipetype · 05-09-2013, 02:16 PM

not to mention elias lindhold who also has number 1 center potential, or darnell nurse who would give us that blend of grit and skill we need on our blueline

Brannigans Law · 05-09-2013, 02:24 PM

The over-valuing of Sven on this board is mind numbing. Florida would never take Sven and the 6th for a pick that likely will yield MacKinnon. Good lord.