Doing it like Ditka: Would you be in favour of an epic deal for Nathan MacKinnon?

[Enoch Root]

Let's focus on #2 instead of #1 (it will cost less).

What does Florida need with respect to roster players?

I am thinking the StL pick plus a player for the #1 pick. Or the StL and Pit picks plus a lesser player.

If we could make a deal to have the #2 and #6 picks, that would be good

[Vinny01]

I think it will cost all 3 first round picks to move up to number 2. Not sure it is worth it

[GreenLantern]

Make sure you guys are reading the original post right, all three 1sts aren't in play, we would retain St. Louis' 1st in this hypothetical deal.

I would be interested in this if it landed the Flames the #1 pick. The comparison between Mackinnon and Monahan or Lindholm is worth the 30th pick, a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th.

The Flames have more than enough 3-7th round question marks in the system right now, but no gaurenteed franchise players.

Mackinnon fits in great with Sven and Brodie for the future of the Flames.

[Resolute 14]

I think we're aware of the original post, but there is some irony here that people have spent so much time complaining about the need to acquire more picks, and now here we are discussing dumping virtually all of them.

But the real question is: is the difference between Monahan and MacKinnon worth trading six other picks? And the answer more than likely is no.

Also, the "the Flames drafting has sucked the last 15 years so why not?" argument is a red herring fallacy. Past actions by different GMs and different scouting departments do not reflect on what the current group may do.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I don't think there is anything fans overvalue more than draft picks.

Someone actually said they wouldn't trade that package for Gretzky. GRETZKY! Frikkin hell, take a look at his records. He has more assists than the next best player has points. He is better than anyone who ever played the game and ever will play the game.

4th to 7th round picks are worth almost nothing. If you could take the best player in any one draft in each round they still wouldn't be worth trading for Gretzky.

No way would I make that trade for Gretzky. He's 52 years old, and not the player he once was.

[PlayfulGenius]

The Redskins ended up with the 2 best players in all of this... get LaVar Arrington and Champ Bailey... interesting.

Regardless, i'd never make that deal... if the 1st round pick was the STL pick instead of the CGY pick, then we have something to talk about.

[Joborule]

It's an interesting thought. If my scouts truly believe MacKinnon or Jones would be a player that would yield much so impact that he'll become a generational player for my team, and the productional from an additional 1st rounder I would not equal out the benefit, along with the lucky of the other remaining picks possibly yields some great players in the long term, I would make the trade.

The only player I would make the kind of trade for is someone you know is going to be an instant hall of famer. Someone like a Crosby, Gretzky, Lemieux. Someone who's going to produce at a level that no one else can simply come close to matching. Don't know if MacKinnon is that type of player. Is one single player that good that he's better to have rather than getting three first round players which could feature at least one franchise player in itself, and several additional players through later rounds? Some who could be steals and become a key players for your organization down the road? I would think not in this case.

[JJsChaos]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I'd be hesitant to move all three 1sts for the 2nd overall pick.

Like I said in another thread I think I'd move two of the first rounders and a 3rd/4th rounder for the #2 overall pick. Not sure that'd be enough to get it done but I don't think we can afford to give up more.

This makes sense to me. It might be enough to get it done. Only time will tell.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Let's focus on #2 instead of #1 (it will cost less).

What does Florida need with respect to roster players?
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Florida needs a young, elite center like a Nathan MacKinnon type to play with Hubredeau. If we could offer them something like that in return they probably would be interested in moving the pick.

Can't see them being interested in a poo poo platter of mediocre players and 50/50 picks.

[Ark2]

I would make this trade as I don't think that anything we would get in the picks we are giving up would be better than MacKinnon. That being said, I wouldn't expect any trades from Feaster. The man is probably polishing some excuse that he will use come draft day as we speak.

"We were in discussions to move up but the deals weren't there," followed by "we got the guy that we wanted anyway at number 6 and we feel he could end up being the best player in this draft, blah blah blah..."

[The Yen Man]

I wouldn't do this trade. Knowing the Flames luck, if they do this trade, Mackinnon eventually turns out to be like Eric Lindros and Lindholm turns out to be like Peter Forsberg.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Let's focus on #2 instead of #1 (it will cost less).

What does Florida need with respect to roster players?

I am thinking the StL pick plus a player for the #1 pick. Or the StL and Pit picks plus a lesser player.

If we could make a deal to have the #2 and #6 picks, that would be good

Florida's depth chart is a good start http://capgeek.com/panthers/depth-chart/

I havn't watched this team to even come up with a suggestion. IMO it doesn't matter because nothing we can offer will top Nathan Mackinnon.

[madmike]

Absolutely not. Look at how well it worked out for Ditka. He was gone a couple of years after that move.

[CaptainCrunch]

The NFL is different good to great running back can disguise every other weakness on your team offensively. Even thought by that time Ditka had clearly lost his marbles.

I don't believe that drafting someone like Nathan McKinnon equals an immediate franchise turnaround.

Also with the NFL there's not as much development happening, if your a draft pick and don't make the team, your pretty much gone, whereas in the NHL you can develop a prospect into a NHL'er over 3 or 4 or 5 years so you have to have that continual pipeline.

Organizational depth is huge in the NHL, on field depth is important in the NFL, but impact players at certain positions are key.

You also get a much more mature ready to play player in the first round in the NFL.

So there's noway in blue hell that a trade like that makes sense. It would probably set Calgary back even further in a rebuild.

[ricardodw]

why is Nathan Mackinnon being treated like he was Sid Crosby? Because they both are from Cole Harbour?


In Crosby's draft year in the Q he had 66 goals in 62 games and 168 pts.. That was 60 pts more than the next player in the league that wasn't his linemate.

Mackinnon - 32 goals in 44 games 75 pts.

[korzym12]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I would make this trade as I don't think that anything we would get in the picks we are giving up would be better than MacKinnon. That being said, I wouldn't expect any trades from Feaster. The man is probably polishing some excuse that he will use come draft day as we speak.

"We were in discussions to move up but the deals weren't there," followed by "we got the guy that we wanted anyway at number 6 and we feel he could end up being the best player in this draft, blah blah blah..."

It's very refreshing to see people realizing how much Feaster BS's - at times it's like he worries more about how to sell his moves than making the right move itself.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

why is Nathan Mackinnon being treated like he was Sid Crosby? Because they both are from Cole Harbour?


In Crosby's draft year in the Q he had 66 goals in 62 games and 168 pts.. That was 60 pts more than the next player in the league that wasn't his linemate.

Mackinnon - 32 goals in 44 games 75 pts.

Are people treating him like Crosby?

Maybe the OP in this thread could be looked like that but since most (all?) are saying no it seems like people are treating him like the top center with elite potential like he should be treated.

[Sainters7]

As a Saints fan who firsthand experienced my team "pulling a Ditka" and the fallout from it, I say no. The most amazing thing about that trade was that the Redskins somehow didn't turn themselves into a contender from all those extra picks. You could say they "pulled a KLown".

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Islanders did this last year. Offered all their picks (including #4 overall) to Columbus for #2 overall. Columbus declined.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...r-draft-picks/

Islanders were so confident that Columbus would do it that they didn't even interview the player they ended up taking (Reinhart).

I don't think Florida would do it.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I wouldn't do this trade. Knowing the Flames luck, if they do this trade, Mackinnon eventually turns out to be like Eric Lindros and Lindholm turns out to be like Peter Forsberg.

In all fairness, Lindros was awesome and arguably the most dominant player in the NHL for a period of four years.